Poe Dameron is Force Sensitive

That argument is (rightly) used commonly as one to support non-FS characters using lightsabers.

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What I'm curious is, why did the droids survive the EMP? Does that make them FS somehow, too?

 

I thought EMPs killed droids, hence the name droid poppers.... I guess you'll have to quote the instance droids survived it...I'd be able to give a better response. As for FS droids, 0-0-0 expounds a theory about how droids can become force sensitive in the canon Vader comic (Shu Torun war arc)... so maybe a FS droid isn't an impossibility after all.

As for lightsaber wielders and force sensitivity...I never discounted Finn as a force sensitive...I mean to say that making an impossible shot and destroying a planet sized super weapon is a better indication of force sensitivity than fighting with a lightsaber (unless you happen to make that lightsaber yourself)

 

Mostly a joke, I don't really see how EMPs could be effected by lack or presence of Jedi.

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In the Showdown on the Smugglers Moon canon comics run, the heroes use and EMP to disable electronics (except lightsabers, which I guess Kyber crystals aren't effected). Thing is, somehow Artoo and 3p0 are not effected, so I was more or less making a kinda lame plot armor joke.

 

TBH I would like Rey, Finn and Poe to be force sensitive and train to use their abilities.... the first trilogy had around 10,000 jedi in the galaxy at one time.....the OT had three (+1 more if you include Anakin)...it just makes sense for there to be more force sensitives around, especially if this trilogy would be about re-building and re-affirming people's faith in the jedi and the force.

Borrowing a little from the EU, it would be interesting if each took on one of the roles of either a jedi Sentinel, a Guardian or a Consular.

I am not including Maz in this calculation as she understands the force but is not a jedi (and God knows if she pulls a Yoda and becomes one with the force since she is so old anyway)....and Leia also cannot be included in the calculation because she chose not to train as a jedi.

 

no

 

Never said anyone had to agree with me. I was giving my opinion on what I would like to see.

 

No - I think I summed it rather nicely.

 

Ok

No - Poe, like Finn has shown no indication of being force sensitive so there is no reason to believe he is. Lets apply the same logic we apply to Lando to Poe and Finn.

Second, making everyone, every hero a Jedi and/or force sensitive is a bad way to take the story. When everyone can do something its not special, its not unique, its not something to look forward. The OT worked, in part, because we were invested in Lukes journey to learn those unique powers. the PT failed, in part, because those things that made Luke unqiue were made mundane. Thats why every villain needed a gimmick - it wasn't enough to just hav ea lightsaber battle we needed a doubled bladed lightsaber or one with spinning hands etc... Sending the message that to be truly heroic or valuable as a hero that one must possess special powers is boring, bland and a horrible message to send.

Ultimately there is a reason why Han is the most popular Star Wars character.
https://www.empireonline.com/movies/features/30-star-wars-characters/
http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/lists/50-best-star-wars-characters-20151203/darth-vader-20151203
https://www.ranker.com/crowdranked-list/the-best-characters-in-the-star-wars-universe

 

lol you're the worst court jester, what with your threats of deletion and strong arming people to elaborate when they've made perfectly concise statements.

personally, if other characters can feel or use the Force, like Han's outlook on "luck," or Poe's flying skills, it should be kept out of the spotlight and never fully examined. to say that everyone is FS would diminish the story.

if characters like Finn or Poe do turn out to be FS then that's fine, but as of right now there is no evidence to support that. unless, of course, everyone can use/feel the Force and it's simply out of the spotlight.

 

When talking about FS and non-FS, I think there's one class of character that we haven't touched on a lot yet- what I might refer to as "delayed FS". Revan in KOTOR might sort of be this (in that you don't start doing Jedi stuff into hours into the game) but I think the ultimate example might be Kyle Katarn.

So, I think there's at least some precedent to Star Wars characters going from being kick-butt non-FS to eventually developing FS abilities. I don't think that necessarily negates the non-FS stuff the did before then.

 

This view.......disturbes me. This idea that anyone who shows competence or excellence is something MUST be aided by magic......No.

It was established how the force works in TPM - not everyone can use/feel the force.

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any examples actually in canon?

 

Not currently, as far as I can think of (or, perhaps that we're currently aware of).

 

i don't want everyone to be FS, but if they retroactively decide that is the case, i hope they never make a big point about it.

i feel that, with all the new canon, they may be taking emphasis away from the powerful, Force wielding Jedi and giving more priority to the normal, non-FS folk. hopefully this doesn't turn into a, "everyone has the Force!" type situation.

 

part of that is the focus being more on the OT era then the PT era.

Unless they decide to ignore or remake TPM or make it legend - they can't go "everyone has the force" (I assume you mean literally, everyone)

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wrong, Anakin.

Anakin is an example of an untrained (Kyle was untrained, Revan was trained by didn't remember) force user. We know they.........come across - in some way (with anakin his reflexs) they show super-human ability.

Poe is a great pilot, but he isn't superhumanly good. Han is a great pilot and lucky, but he isn't superhuman in these areas.

 

In the context of his life, sure, that could work. I was more or less referencing the story itself, where we learn about his above average midichlorian count (*shivers*) very quickly after meeting him.

But I see what you mean.

In the context of a universe like Star Wars, it's tough to really say what makes a person "superhumanly good" at something, though. In a single shot at the battle at Takodana, Poe manages to take down an insane amount of enemies in well under half a minute.

An "ace" is a term that varies from time to time, but generally refers to a pilot with 5 or more "victories" (essentially, confirmed craft show down). Poe pretty much doubles that in 16 seconds, as seen in that clip.

Is it due to their tech? Poe's training? Luck? The Force? Don't think we can definitively say right now, but as annoying as it is, sometimes the answer "it's just because it's a shot in a film meant to demonstrate his aptitude as a pilot" may be the most accurate. But I can totally see how people question that.

 

anakin was the only human (outside of Jedi I assume) who could race pods. He did something a normal human couldn't. Poe's flying isn't commented on in the same way.