Poe Dameron is Force Sensitive

Maybe not in the same way, but his skill is commented on.

I'm certainly not stating that this is in any proof of it, nor do I think that it's parallel to Anakin's accomplishments, but his flying is clearly impressive and far beyond the capabilities of any pilot present.

 

yes - one hell of a pilot. Not "no human should be able to fly that way". Big difference.

Its comparing an olympic gymnist and spider-man.

 

LOL, dang. That would be something if the "Awakening" covered all of the main characters and that they were all the future of the Jedi.

 

Sure, cool thing man.

You can split hairs, but I think I've already made it clear that I'm not comparing Poe to Anakin.

And I think it would be kind of ridiculous for Finn, in the middle of a battle situation, to stand up and say "no human should be able to fly that way", but hey, that's just me.

 

Disregard.

 

Poe learned to fly at the age of 6 (Before the Awakening Novel)...I think that definitely makes him more than the average great pilot. Also on the topic of podracers, Poe's Logbook mentions how he made an improvised podracer as a child and got into trouble for it.....so we have a person who learned to fly at a really young age, experimented with an improvised podracer as a kid and whose flying skills are compared to that of Luke Skywalker (again in the Before the Awakening novel).....not to mention having an unerring aim (the Takodana scene and SKB)....I think that goes way beyond just the skills of a good pilot.... I think the force is definitely playing some part here.

 

lol - you just admit when you're wrong can you? The words "good point, you're right about that" just aren't in your vocabulary are they.......

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No it isn't. We aren't shown him doing super human things the way we are showing Anakin.

You already pointed it out - he's been doing it his whole life.

 

We saw Anakin doing super human things only after joining the jedi order and learning from them....I don't think we saw Anakin display anything superhuman beyond being a gifted engineer and pilot in TPM.

As a matter of fact, this even applies to Luke in ANH whose big moment was flying an x-wing and blowing up a super weapon (that sounds very familiar).

I also find the podracing parallel to Anakin and the flying comparison to Luke in canon books a good argument for indicating that the force plays a part in his abilities.

And since he has been showing these kind of skills all his life (which you have also conceded), I would think there is more to him than being just the average gifted pilot.

 

racing a pod is superhuman. We're told he ist he only human who can do it - and even if we chalk that up to a kid, Qui-Gon tells him he must have Jedi (ie - Superhuman) reflex's if he can race pods.

 

I posted this one page before....I'll re-post this extract from Poe's logbook again since its relevant to the argument that racing a pod is superhuman.... the fact that he raced with an improvised podracer (with actual podrace engines), completing a task that took hours within minutes says a lot about Poe's reflexes.

 

really?

1) How fast are "ancient" engines? You think you can slap an ancient engine on a tracker and go fast?
2) Did he race it, or go in a straight line, much slower then the pods in TPM for 3 minutes?
3) His dad wasn't happy and he never did that again - as opposed to Anakin who can clearly handle racing a modern pod

Its not an apples to apples comparison just because the word "pod" is used.

 

1. Even if the engines were ancient, the very fact that he completed a task that took hours in minutes pretty much confirms that the engines were fast.

2. Orchards are not just a single straight line (am sure that applies to TGFFA as well). And even if we are talking about multiple straight lines of trees, we have to remember that he was picking fruit while flying, and since fruit don't grow in a straight line, I think the straight line argument doesn't apply anywway.

3. His father was angry because of his act of turning a fruit picker into a podracer. It wasn't the same situation as Qui Gon scouting for the chosen one. It was a father worried about his son's well being unlike a jedi who was more interested in the force than the welfare of a kid.

So yes, I believe this argument regarding Poe's reflexes while handling a podracer still holds.

 

I completely disagree with you on that point, though, friend.

I think what you're trying to say is incredibly pedantic (as per the usual), and I've explained as such.

A character shouldn't have to literally say "WOW! What an inhuman feat!" for us to realize it as such. If you disagree that Poe's flying is beyond the capabilities of a normal human, that's fine, but I think it's certainly up for discussion. I still have yet to hear your side of how he flies that well.

If you really want to be told so badly that you're right, show your mother your posts. You don't need to impress me.

Have a good weekend.

 

But its not because people in that universe who see his flying are not astounded by it the way a person would be by seeing an inhuman feat. Logic. Its your friend.

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1) We have engines on earth that can do that. Flying them is not inhuman.
2) You've nevr seen an orchard have you?
3) Oh, so his life wasn't in danger? Great, it must not have that dangerous, thus an inhuman feat. Great, you agree with me.

 

i don't think that excerpt is comparable to Anakin's racing skills shown in TPM.

firstly, he's farming, so no real danger; Anakin was pitting himself against seasoned alien pros, not crops.

secondly, hours to minutes is a super loose definition of time; 59 minutes is still shorter than an hour! plus, it seems a bit like hyperbole in context.

 

1. So are you taking back your initial remark that a human needs jedi reflexes to handle a podracer? I think it would be a double standard to say this applies to Anakin but not to Poe despite both handling a podracer.

I don't think LF has made a comparison between podracing engines and Earth based engines. So if Earth engines exist with similar speeds, then how is Anakin's winning the podrace such a big feat? The same rule applies to it as well.

Anyway, that would be digressing from the point you were initially arguing about the speed of the engines. You questioned the speed of the engines Poe used on his podracer, and the speed at which he completed his task makes it clear the engines were extremely fast....fast enough to complete a task that took hours in minutes.

2. I happen to own three orchards so yes...I think I have seen my fair share of orchards before. If you know of an orchard where fruit grow in exact straight lines on trees, please post an image here. I would be interested in seeing it.

3. You're missing the point. Qui Gon wasn't worried because he trusted the force when it came to Anakin racing. Kes Dameron wasn't thinking about whether his son performed a great feat or not- he was concerned about his only son's safety (especially if you keep in mind the fact that his wife died and his son is all he had left as well).

That is the difference between being a jedi and being a parent. Its not whether his life was in danger- it is the emotion felt by the person involved. So no, I disagree with you....Kes Dameron's emotions do not take away from the fact that Poe has incredible reflexes, more than even a regular good pilot.

 

1) nope

3) because anakin was capable of doing it. It'd be like catching him trying to fly by jumping off the roof

 

there's an outside chance Poe is FS, just like there's a chance that Han was all along, but i don't think there's enough evidence to support that either of them were/are.

with how the new canon is shaping up they may change aspects of how the Force works and include stuff like the amazing abilities of Han and Poe as part of Force sensitivity, but until such a time i don't think there's a solid foundation outside of speculation.

 

How about, we are currently seeing in action what will constituate the future members of a potential Jedi Academy 3.0.... Poe, Finn, Rey... maybe even Kylo. At the end of Episode IX, all of them go into training with Skywalker...

 

Except Poe and Finn apparently can't use the force and Kylo is the bad guy