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SPOILER Rebels Review S02 Premiere: "The Siege Of Lothal"

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Rebels' started by Hermann22, Jun 21, 2015.

  1. Talon Karrde

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    Just saw a really choppy version from A New Hope. Hoping to get a smoother version soon on Animeflavor. Despite the technical difficulties, I really enjoyed it.
     
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    Quick note: why did we not see the emperor?! It seems strange that he was kept offscreen!

    I reckon the Emperor could want Ashoka for that reason or one of two other potential reasons: firstly, to kill her off so that Vader loses yet another remaining piece of his old life that could sway him back to the light; or secondly, to use her as a tool to hone the edges of Vader's anger and suffering. For example, good old Sheevy boy could hold Ashoka captive and torture her, which would undoubtedly be somewhat painful for Vader to watch, since he was tasked with protecting and teaching her.

    I likewise enjoyed the Kenobi mention. It's easy to forget just how much hatred Vader holds for him. It makes me question how he felt after the duel in ANH. You see Vader kicking his robe in confusion, but it almost seems like he's disappointed; as if the moment he'd waited so long for didn't end his suffering or bring any consolation to his woes as he thought it would.

    Vader's portrayal thus far has been great. I think Lords of the Sith had him be too athletic, so it's good to see here, 10 years or so later, that he has that strength and prowess without needing to spin about (despite it being a good trick).

    Also, thanks for the AND quote! It's been nearly a year since I read it and it doesn't hold well in my memory, but excerpts like that (particularly after watching Rebels series 1 and reading the comic so far) really help me realise how good it is!
     
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    I agree. I'm pretty sure Anakin's last words to Obi-Wan were "I hate you." I think Vader was very confused by Obi-Wan's presence on the Death Star to begin with and confounded by his apparent sacrifice thereafter. I don't think the death gave him satisfaction. He wanted to see him suffer as he had. In Vader's mind, he was betrayed by his former master. The Jedi were evil, Obi-Wan supposedly turned his wife against him, and he brutally dismembered him and left him for dead, so the disappearing act was no doubt frustrating for the dark lord.

    I also agree about the Vader portrayal in the show versus Lords of the Sith. I was afraid Rebels might make him fight more like Anakin given that the shows share creators, but I was very satisfied that the Vader we see is very much the one from the OT and not Anakin from TCW with a Vader suit on. He moved like him, talked like him...everything was spot on. The lightsaber battle was intense without being a fast paced flourish of color with outrageous acrobatics and gravity defying leaps. However, it was apparent that his restrictive motion as Vader did not lesson his power nor his control of the force. In fact it seems that Vader is somehow stronger and more menacing that Anakin even without possesing the atheleticism of his youth. I loved the part when Vader beat the crap out of Kanan and Ezra and then casually walked after them in his arrogant stride that was very reminiscent of the Death Star scene in ANH when the door closes just in time. The one-handed lightsaber grip was also a nice touch. Vader is back baby - and in style. :)
     
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    Did anyone else notice something off about Vader's voice? He sounded different than in the movies. I know he was voiced by James Earl Jones, but the voice didn't seem quite the same. It sounded different.
     
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    Yeah. The man is 84 now. He sounds different than he did in his 50s. It's just something that cannot be avoided, but they have done a nice job matching his old voice the best they can, and I think using an older Jones is still better than finding a replacement. The guy they used for Force Unleashed (Matt Sloan) for ex. was a good sound alike, but using someone like him I think would have sounded even more off than an older Jones. Billy Dee sounds different also, but I love that they are using the original cast as much as possible when they can.
     
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    Yeah, I am glad they are using the original actors. I wonder why they didn't get Ian McDiarmid to voice Emperor Palpatine.
     
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    I wondered this also. It's not like he isn't involved in the Saga anymore. He is a regular at many SW events, so I don't know why they didn't use him. Probably not in the budget I guess. Palpatine is voiced by Sam Witwer who also voiced him in The Force Unleashed as well as main character Starkiller, and Darth Maul in TCW. I have a feeling that we will eventually see his likeness when the Rebels creators bring Galen Marek a.k.a. "Starkiller" into the show as Vader's secret apprentice or an inquisitor on the show. I mean, he's already in the studio and involved vocally...why not? :)
     
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    I don't think they will use Starkiller. They will probably go in a different direction.
     
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    You're probably right and I know I'm just wishful thinking because of my appreciation for the character, but he is certainly available to be picked from the EU tree and grafted into canon, and it could be easily done with the original actor already involved with Rebels. If they do use him, he certainly won't be as important to the story as he was in the games. It would be cool to just have him show up with his Sith (inquisitor) costume, mask and all, and wielding his two reverse-gripped lightsabers.
     
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    In the case of Billy Dee I think they are using a different treatment for the hole character and the way he talks reflects that, he is much more relaxed, is way more different than how he talked in ESB or ROTJ. He's a more confident, younger, relaxed Lando all the time, and for that I can understand the way he talks now. He doesn't has too many responsibilities at this moment

    For Vader I did noticed the difference too... But I think James Earl Jones did the best he can. I really enjoyed listen to him
     
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    JEJ sounds, in a sense, younger. And with audio editing tech today, if they needed to, they could create an overlay over present-day JEJ to make him sound like he is in the movies. I honestly think that they want the type of voice to show that, yes, the age is creeping up, but it's still not a ANH, where he is older, more middle-aged than a young man.
     
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    Awesome episode.Great to see Vader in his prime.Looking forward for the rest.Thanks to the link provider as well.
     
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    Kanan, I sense much fear in you.
     
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    Lucky you.
     
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    Only from a storytelling point of view. The show is on a tight budget and won't make an entirely new model for 10 seconds of screen time.
     
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    I liked this episode a lot. It was nice to see Vader before ANH. Though I wonder what Tua knew that had been ordered by the Emperor himself? Unless it's due to the kyber crystals on Lothal and a certain spacestation that is under construction.
     
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    Yeah, I suppose you're right! I hadn't considered the effort vs. the time. Then again, they'd surely use the model later in the series! Ah, well! It was a nitpick anyway; phenomenal episode overall!
     
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    I may be slightly miss-remembering, but for the clone wars Filoni said they could generally only afford one new character model per episode, (ocassionally they'd get 2 or 3 for a premier).

    That's why all of Hondo's pirates are identical with different gear on. Season 1 of rebels would reuse the same 4 or so background characters :S. The imperial helmsmen are all clones (not in universe) with tipped down hats to hide that fact.

    If the emperor doesn't get a big role, I wouldn't be surprised if they never build a model for him. He might just be a robed imperial helmsman with his face hidden entirely in shadow.
     
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    It's a shame really; I was excited to see a Rebels-style take on Palpatine. I didn't realise the average of 1 model per episode in TCW though, that's insane!
     
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    All I can really add having not seen the show past what was shown on ABC (I hope I can, sooner than later) is this: Kanan is a Padawan who was never told he had become a Jedi--though, maybe he is a Jedi, now. Asohka is a Jedi who passed her trials, and walked away. It will be interesting to see how these two "Jedi" manage to exist together in a time where they are but the few, and if their actions impact the Jedi that come after RotJ.
     
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