SPOILER Rebels Season 3 Ep 19 "Twin Suns"

Obi-Wan would have defeated Vader on the Death Star, but he had to sacrifice himself for Luke. Sacrifice is a big theme in the saga, so it leads me to believe we will see some major sacrifice coming.

I'll say it again. I think Ezra sacrifices himself to save Leia and the Rebellion at the end of the series, serving his purpose. I think Kanan dies next week.

 

I could see that or perhaps to save 'his family' Hera and Sabine etc

 

I think OB1 believes that he is guarding the Chosen One in Luke, as it can no longer be Anakin in his eyes.

I have to wonder though if Disney is setting us all up to see Luke do something in 8 or 9 to show us he is the Chosen One, and maybe Disney has decided to overrule Lucas and his interpretation of the Chosen One as Anakin. What if they want it to be Luke or even Rey, and maybe she is the other Skywalker, and not Leia as OB1 assumed Yoda was speaking of? So many paths Disney could take this now. I loved the somber ending as well in this episode.

 

The Chosen One is Anakin. Obi-Wan has his own opinions on the matter. But its from his point of view. Obi-Wan intended Luke to strike down Vader and the Emperor. Instead Anakin did. There is no retcon. There is no set up to change the Chosen One.

 

I am just happy this episode showed that Kenobi's duty to safe guard Luke; therefore abolishes all the outlandish theories that Kenobi got married or had a child. I'm not a Star Wars expert... hehe, but I've been watching it since 1977.

 

Yeah it does make sense that Obi Wan and Yoda would be in communication through the force so he could have heard of Ezra and Kanan from Yoda. On the Chosen One, a case could be made that at that time Obi Wan believed Luke to be the one to fulfill the prophecy, but we as fans now that Anakin was redeemed and was the one who brought balance to the force. Obi Wan definitely has been known to be vague with specifics and details when he was speaking with Luke that have worked to his advantage and his detriment.

 

It actually hasn't abolished anything. His story from the end of ROTS to this point hasn't been told yet. Not that I think he got married or had a kid or anything. But the canvas is still relatively blank on him in those years.

 

Who is the Chose One? Is it Luke? Is it Anakin?

Why can't it be both? Cause that would make them the Chosen Two, right? But with an episode name like "Twin Suns" and all the imagery of two suns, two moons, two members of the Ghost crew and only two involved with the fight, I think that is the message. Luke could not have destroyed Palpatine without Vader and Vader couldn't have done it without the love and compassion of his son. Together they defeated the Sith and fulfilled the prophesy, which was misinterpreted from the beginning. Ben and Yoda never understood it correctly because they did not believe Vader could be redeemed. "Once you start down the dark path..."

 

Maybe the Chosen One was Anakin and the "balance" was not an idea but a person....Luke....I'm kidding, I'm kidding.

Really. I'm not serious.

 

Fully agree. Kenobi stopped believing Anakin was the Chosen One at the end of ROTS when he told him: "You WERE the Chosen One". Past tense indicates that Kenobi no longer considers Anakin as the Chosen One, at least from that point on.

Also agree. And we have to distinguish what Kenobi believes from actual SW fact. In ROTJ, Kenobi still believed Anakin-Vader was more machine than man, and at the end Anakin tells Luke "You were right, about me". My personal opinion, Anakin was the Chosen One from beginning to end. We should remember that prophesy talked about being conceived by the midi-chlorians. That was what triggered the council to talk about the prophesy in TPM. Luke wasn't conceived by midi-cholrians.

Me too. The first time I watched it I was a bit disappointed. But after a few more rounds, I got it. And it was brilliant. Honestly, if it had been a longer duel, it must have been "just another duel". This one stands out because it was fast.

I followed the discussion whether Maul was injury or died because of feeling defeated. Had to watched it a few times before getting my own opinion. As the wise Forrest Gump said: Maybe both, maybe both happening at the same time.
I really believe he was definitely cut. We don't see his wounds or his guts coming out because it's a kids show. Also, lightsabers normally don't spill blood everywhere. Here are the reasons why I believe Maul was injured by Kenobi's lightsaber:

1. Kenobi completely stopped his attack right after his lethal blow. He pretty much frozen. He definitely felt cutting his opponent and knew it was over. No reason to keep fighting or slicing him in pieces. This behaviour is consistent with Kenobi, for example when he cut the arm of an alien in the cantina, he just stops.
2. Maul's facial expression was very similarl to his own at the end of TPM when Kenobi cut him in half.
3. The smoke was really coming from Maul's body, not his lightsabers. After he drops to the ground, he also drops his lightsabers, we can see one of them rolling, and after this we still see some smoke coming out. So, he was definitely injured.

I leave you with this clip of the climax of the Episode. You can select to slow down the scene at 0.25 speed.

Mortally injured? That's where we can speculate. And I like the suggestions of him letting himself go, with no more reason to live. I can see that also playing a role in speeding up his death. In other circumstances, he could have survived. He survived being cut in half and years later receiving a high dose of Force lightning from Sidious himself. That's why I say: Maybe both, maybe both happening at the same time.

Anyways, loved the episode. Great closure for Maul. He was such a great character who deserved a lot more than being killed in his first movie. The Clone Wars and Rebels made justice for him.

 

I'm not sure how it undermines Ben in any capacity. It doesn't suggest that he couldn't have learned of Ezra that way or is unable to occasionally communicate with Yoda, merely that he wouldn't have had to in that situation.

It's an unclear turn in the plot. I think that always turning to the force for explanations when those arise diminishes it to a dues ex machina as a storytelling device.

 

I just realized that Obi-Wan bated Maul. He goes to Soresu with the "poke eyes out" opening stance, which he has used against Maul several times during the Clone Wars, then switches to the stance of Ataru, Qui-Gon's, which makes Maul attempt the same moves as he did on Qui-Gon. Obi totally outsmarted him and used it to his advantage, probably switching to a different form on the third swing, at the final, crucial moment, slicing his opponent down the face and torso.

Also, I think the quickness of the fight illustrates how Obi-Wan has moved on from his past, learned from then, and has even become more powerful. I bet the training with Qui Gon helped, too. That's why he is so Sage like by this point. When you're alone with a Force spirit and (possibly still in contact with Yoda?), time to reflect on life, the Force, etc, that would happen. He is more of a serious character while in the CW and prequels he was cracking puns, etc.

AND, while Maul is still exceptionally powerful, given how quickly he defeated those Inquisitors, his power has remain stagnant, because he is still clinging onto the past.

 

I clapped at the end of the episode. The shot at the end was quite emotional - to hear Aunt Beru calling Luke and him running back home - was simply endearing.

It was poetic for Obi-Wan to show that he was willing to protect Luke at the point of killing or dying to protect him. He actually gets into fight mode when Maul guesses correctly that he is in Tatooine to protect someone. (Which actually was my theory on how Maul would go down by the hand of Kenobi). And then in ANH he lets himself get killed to protect Luke.

What Hera says about Obi-Wan is quite interesting since it shows there is a bigger game most of the Rebellion is not aware of it, as Kenobi is. Most of the Rebels think they are fighting the evil Empire led by a evilish Emperor, but not all of them know that the Empire is controlled by the Sith. And maybe at the eyes of the Rebels it could be hard to understand why a Jedi Master would rather hide than being in the front lines of the war, but they are not aware of the machinations of the Sith and how the son of the former Chosen One might be the key to actually defeating the Empire.

Saw Witwer and Stephen Stanton made such a fantastic voice work.

Yeah, I guess some folks were waiting for a 10-minute long Duel of the Fates 2.0 but time has passed for these two.

Oi! You're mean! LOL.

This bit has gotten a lot of discussion around, and I reckon it depends greatly on the point of view. Just let's remember that Kenobi tells Yoda in TESB: "This boy was our last hope" so in some way, he might consider Luke as the Chosen One or maybe the closest thing to one of them. Maybe at the end he didn't avenge Kenobi or Maul by killing Palpatine or Vader, but due to his intervention these two perished. So, from a certain point of view, we can understand why Obi-Wan believed he was the Chosen One.

Revenge is not the Jedi way. LOL.

Same here. I feel like watching TPM-TCW-Rebels again.

A Contingency, like Gallius Rax???

Truly poetic.

 

Monday?

 

It was a good episode. To me, just having Obi-Wan makes a strong foundation for SW:R within the SW story. To me its more attached to the Episodes then R1 is, with keeping that Jedi/Sith alive. the episode had me from 5mins in. The one thing that I didnt like(mostly left me unknowning/uncertain) is that it was cool that Ezra got to meet Obi-Wan and Kenobi spitting force knowledge to him, is that at the end its was only Ezra who knows(and Senator Organa) that Obi-Wan is alive. Seems like Obi-Wan kinda used the whole "these arent the droids your looking for" not really mind trick on Ezra. It goes from Ezra certain that Obi-Wan is alive to Ezra saying not mentioning Obi-Wan at all. Does Kanan have a sense from Ezra that he knows Kenobi is alive or no. I guess im looking for Kanan to meet Master Kenobi since he is really the only(Jedi) within the episode 3/4 still out there.

But in all it was a dope episode. the ending is cliche, we expected it. glad that we didnt get a Luke character in Rebels just a "Hope" scene. Maul gets his ending which he deserves. and now we get prolly the one and "only" Kenobi episode in Rebels before ANH. it was a simple episode attraction for us prior to the last episode. but here is one question, why did that twitter feed hashtag Ahsoka Tano for the last trailer? just cause?

 

After my 25th viewing, I still enjoy the Obi Wan scenes, Ezra determination to destroy the sith & the ending we thought we would never see. RIP 1999-2bby

 

Great episode! I loved how the final conversation and duel between Obi-Wan and Maul played out.

 

MY God, I'm glad it's over. Bringing Maul back from the death was a narrative abomination anyway which just kept dragging on and on throughout Clone Wars and Rebels. I'm glad his defeat was swift and easy.

 

Maul is finally dead. Again!
Balance has been restored to the narrative....until they invent some other way of bringing him back again, which means Obi-Wan will have to slice him diagonally, as Maul knows Obi-Wan's horizontal and vertical attack strategies now.