Regarding Rey's rock moving skills...

So that's believable but any sort of jump is not?

I'm just confused on the overall argument here.

My point being, it's okay that things get bigger/better. They always do.

The PT made lightsaber duels bigger and better (sort of).
The ST made "stuff" bigger/better (sort of).

 

Not to change the subject, but does anyone else feel Poe has displayed WAY better piloting skills than anyone ever in this galaxy? Including Anakin and Luke. Personally, Poe’s piloting is harder to explain than Rey’s rock lifting. At least we know Rey has an all powerful force behind her.

 

You are totally right, another inconsistency, Poe's piloting skills put everyone else in the saga to shame, especially in TFA where kills like 5 tie fighters in seconds while sniping people on the ground as well...

 

Agreed. I think it hasn't gotten much if any attention mostly because shooting down TIEs is tantamount to killing Storm Troopers. The only thing it really related to the audience is that he's an amazing pilot, but on the overall plot of the story it has very little impact since TIEs and Storm Troopers are pretty much limitless.

 

I'm not sure who said that Rey doesn't hold her own as well as Kylo in the fight against the guards but I was just replaying it in slow motion and from what I could see she does even better than Kylo:
On the initial charge 5 guards go against Rey and only 3 at Kylo.
They both kill a total of 4 guards.
It's true at one point Kylo is against 3 and Rey against only 1 but that is because Rey killed the other ones faster.
She finally helps Kylo kill the last one, so overall I think she did better than him.
I guess the next emperor should probably send his guards to train on Jakku against Unkar's thugs, the most accomplished warriors in the galaxy.

 

He played on a force tree as a child. Plot inconsistency solved.........

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She did just have her mind read by Snoke. Obviously she absorbed his knowledge. The force works this way.....

 

This is actually funny. Well done.

Well the difference here is that she could push back against Kylo. She didn't push back on Snoke, he took EVERYTHING!

 

Rey seems to be created more powerful than Luka himself, which is why in my opinion so easy lifting of stones shows her immense strength in the force.

 

Her power is a bit of a point of contention. She's obviously powerful, but just how much is very much up for debate. Is she as powerful as the most powerful of Jedi we've seen in the past, slightly more, quite a bit more, magnitudes more? Snoke pretty much had his way with her, but does that just mean his training to her lack of training is the defining edge, or was Snoke just that powerful?

Beyond that, Rey has been able to do some extra-ordinary things for someone who has received at times no to just a few days training. Is she capable of doing such feats simply because she's so much stronger than previous Force users, is the Force of Force Ghosts guiding her somehow, or can she just do what she possibly heard other Jedi's do because she has such openness with the Force?

Episode 9 might shed some light on those questions, but many prefer to keep it shrouded in mystery. To add to the debate, some believe she can basically just do what the writers need her to do in the story, no explanation required. That's her plot armor. I think by not defining her ability with the Force, for some, it makes the Force more mysterious, not fit in a tiny box or defined as in a video game. Some really like and are defensive by that appeal, some really don't and find the lack of explanation a plot hole, loose thread, a question that needs answering. At this point it's anyone's guess if we'll get an answer, but I think the general consensus is that if it hasn't been given by now, there's a good chance a loaded Ep9 won't have time to tackle it.

 

I just find it infuriating from a thematic perspective. The people who often hold such sentiments have the fallacious view that the Force is somehow dynastic in the previous films (despite there having been thousands of Jedi prior to the OT and the Skywalkers practically being slaves to fate at this point) and want the Force to be more egalitarian. However, I don't get how a transition from "members of a bloodline with potential that still needed to train" to "miscellaneous individual that doesn't hone her skills whatsoever" is a good tradeoff. In fact, you're worse off with the latter than the former.

In fact, the one who is meant to represent the corruption brought on by inherited privilege (Ben) still had to hone his abilities for a far longer period of time and had to actually work at it while the one presenting the hardships of the poor and disenfranchised (Rey) basically coasts by on her innate talent and nothing else. You'd think the roles would be reversed.

 

Oh, I heartily agree. If you take the time to read just a few of my replies on the subject, it's pretty evident I have issue with Rey's powers. That being said, some fan theories work decently well as a bridge between my incredulity of her powers and me at least finding a way to accept it. I'm holding out hoping Ep9 does take the time to expand on her in relation to the Force. Maybe some creative minds working on our next installment are reading some of the fan feed back. Maybe Disney is looking at the divisiveness and reconsidering some things, or at least willing to throw us dissatisfied fans a bone. We'll know in 2 years.

Until then I'll try and keep an open mind and listen to some ideas others have on the subject.

 

Scavenger girl born Random by two drunkards,is now recorded on film as been stronger than Chosen one Anakin Skywalker ever was,and more perfect than any Force user ever shown ,and never makes practical or moral mistake...

Answer to her Powers is simple just as her 2 scavenger drunk unimportant parents.Simple and tough to comprehend.

Unfortunately,but we all know it to be the truth,admitting or not.

Its simply a cheap written travesty over Star Wars lore and legacy in order to obtain New generation of Disney printed superheroes with new sets of Powers without any obligation to the past..letting past to die,literally.

 

(starts to get the popcorn ready as the dual begins) Dont mind me I'm just enjoying the dual

 

Rey went into the force tree and downloaded The Jedi Path on her Kindle.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/The_Jedi_Path:_A_Manual_for_Students_of_the_Force

Rian Johnson forgot to tell her it is "Legends"

She is officially the most powerful force user in all the EU.

 

When I saw that scene of her and those rocks, the first thing I thought was: Wow, she can force lift my rocks anytime !! You see, when I watch SW movies....I try not to get TOO analytical, i just try and have fun with these moments and not try and make too much sense into everything. This ongoing debate about Rey being a "mary sue" or she needs more training to do that.....just hush already, it's frickin Star Wars, not some Oscar worthy movie like Schindler's list.

 

I think this is a fair point and something i didn't think, because i was like "wait how did she do that so fast" but there are "stories" and like she says to luke she has heard of the crazy feats the Jedi can do, so yes totally its her state of mind. she believes she can, its more the why.

I do feel what makes it feel slightly jarring is how fast its happening. i think if TLJ didn't start immediately after TFA it wouldn't have been as unbelievable for some that Rey could do all of this.

what would also be interesting twist on this rocks moving thing...she did this in front of a lot of people, the entire resistance. that hasn't really happened, especially since we are living in the generation of the jedi are a myth. I wonder if they take a turn to where people are now scared of her power, or worse feel she can save them all. and that pressure can be overwhelming, and once again she is isolated.