Rey's Love Interest?

Watch the movie "The Player"

The same guy directed MASH, Gosford Park,Nashville, and many other films.

It's arguably the greatest movie made about Hollywood.

One of the many speeches in it lists all the things studios require in a script in order to agree to produce it.

The speech is cynical, but spot on, as is the rest of the film.

"Sex" is one of the qualities he lists.

I'm of the opinion Rey doesn't need a romantic subplot.

Luke didn't really, not after the Hoth kiss.

Poe and Finn could find love in the next two movies. I'd be fine with that and nearly every movie has a romance. I think it'd be much better if Rey didn't have her plot line wasn't cluttered with suitors.

I do like that the fact that Finn's affection for her in TFA was a black guy and a white girl yet received very little attention, if any at all. I'm not saying it should but I'm an American, and a native of a Confederate state. I'm very glad that aspect of the movie was not discussed to any large degree.

I'm all for romance in the SW, ST, especially because it can operate without a net, but part of that is breaking the rules about the Star needing a romantic subplot

 

Well, now that you brought it up...

 

I've noticed a heck of a lot of less romance is Disney Canon. It's odd cuz the Disney Princess stories r chock full of romance.

Just another slap in the face in the PT I guess.

TFA, SWR & now R1 have little to no romance.

 

That's just looking for a problem where there is none.

 

Looking for problems in all the rong places. Looking for problems.........

 

You downvoted a post in which I theorized that people want something new until they get it...and yet here you basically complain that it isn't doing something already (poorly) done in the PT....which is it?

 

Actually, he made a thread with answers and if you select one of his answers, he rates it as clouded.

Go figure ...

 

My answer would be "nobody, because her arc doesn't need a love interest" - definitely not because of the "jedi are forbidden attachment" which I always thought was one of the dumbest, most deeply illogical ideas in the PT.

I'd love if they go with Jessica Pava, though - both because I wouldn't have the slightlest problem with the idea and because it would be funny to watch the complete meltdown of the most... conservative and single minded part of the fandom

But, really, as long as it is a good story and they figure out a way to have the romance subplot actually make sense, I'm good (unless they go #ReyLo that, in addition to be illogical, and slightly sickening as a concept, has the biggest fault of being kind of boring).

 

You think Buddhism, which the ways of the Jedi order are largely based upon, is illogical?
You need to research what attachment actually is about - specifically about how non-attachment is about connection rather than separation, selflessness rather than selfishness.

 

Yes, I do - I happen to think that any system of thoughts/beliefs that either denies the basic human nature or tries to keep it excessively subdued is illogical if not straight up dangerous (and this is coming from someone who, at the time the prequels were relesead, made a huge argument about the Jedi philosophy being based on Buddhism, as something of a good idea... but that was 20 years ago).

I also don't believe in attachment as in "possession" or "jealousy" - not even in relationships - but that is about controlling an impulse (the "attachment"), not denying it.

 

It has nothing to do with denying human nature. It's about seeking to connect oneself with all life rather than looking inwardly. People misconstrue it into something cold and loveless but in fact, non-attachment is the key to finding satisfaction in your life - at least, that's what the Buddhist teach. It's about understanding that you are born part of the whole and that by becoming attached to things or people then you are separating yourself from the whole. This doesn't mean you don't love people, but the opposite. It means you love everyone. The Jedi need to practice this to the letter for a Jedi needs to be at one with everything so to connect fully with the living Force.

The Jedi don't deny attachment, they learn to let go of it. Yoda prescribes this very training to Anakin.
Had Anakin loved unconditionally and managed to let go of his fears then he would've found satisfaction in his life. As it happened, he didn't let go and greed corrupted him. This is of course much harder when you're in a relationship or have children. You naturally fear losing them. However, you do need to let go of that fear (especially if you're a superhuman with responsibilities and dangerous power) - that doesn't mean you stop loving the person but that your love is unconditional and selfless.

 

in the classic sense of the word, all SW stories are romances. also, they all have themes of bonding/love ("romantic" or even deeper).

to say TFA, SWR or R1 have no romantic arcs is weird to me.
yeah, there's no outright kissing and mushy faces and whatever (yet), but there's plenty of subtext.

1. Hera and Kanan are definitely an item.
   
2. Cassian and Jyn spend their last moments admiring one another and most probably contemplating what their lives might have been if they could have lived them out.
   
3. TFA is in part about serving the love between an estranged husband and wife, and other potential love which dares not speak its name on these boards (hahaha).

only the narrowest definition of "romance" excludes it from these films.

 

Look, I don't want to turn this into a philosophical debate, because - while not being entirely OT - it would derail the thread a bit. However, let me clarify: I do see your point, I understand what you are trying to say - it's just so happens that I believe all that stuff to be crap
This is a great example of what I mean: "by becoming attached to things or people then you are separating yourself from the whole". Nope. It's called "being human". More or less every religion - christianity included - has its own version of this concept and it always accomplish the same two goals: it cheapens down what love really is (if you "love everyone" you aren't really loving anyone) and it's useful in turning people in subservient sheeps (the less you are "attached" to things and people, the less you oppose someone trying to take away things or people from you).

EDIT: I should probably also clarify that I believe GL was completely incapable of conjuring up a single "good" (or even remotely acceptable) idea, at the time he wrote the PT. So, yes, what you say is what Lucas was going for in the PT and I find it to be one of the worst ideas in a trilogy of movies that already shines for how many terrible ideas it actually contains.

 

Too bad, I'm like a dog with a bone and won't back down until I have bashed you over the head enough times for you to agree with me!

You won't find a bigger anti-theist on the boards than me, so I understand your point. What I would say however is that "super-humans", like the Jedi, need to hold themselves to a higher standard. Their power, especially as Jedi, is about being connected to all living things and doing right by all living things. That's what makes the Jedi special. "It will be a hard life", as Qui Gon said. And you live that way so that everyone can can experience these human emotions freely and without prejudice.

I would also say that we're not dealing with a religion here. We're dealing with a qualified and real energy that, in the GFFA, is created by and penetrates all living things. There is no sentient, omniscient God. And thus this is about cheapening love just so you can worship some God you are fearful of at the expense of your family and friends - this is about consistently trying to do right by the whole so that everyone benefits. It also isn't about varying levels of love. Of course the Jedi are human and love some people above others. That exists regardless and that inspires them to do good (as we see in Anakin's case with Luke). However, the Jedi have to understand that what happens to one life form effects another - in the sense that if they don't act on behalf of the whole, then the individual (that they love) will be negatively impacted anyway - hence why Luke throws down his saber rather than turning to the Dark Side and sparing his friends from death).

If the Jedi do not have this ideal to reach for then there is literally nothing special about them. There is nothing that sets them apart from any other Force group. It is this practice of non-attachment then enables them to be the only group who can bring balance to the Force.

Harsh. The PT was full of great ideas, for me - just poorly executed.

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 6, 2017, Original Post Date: Apr 6, 2017 ---

I think some people need to say it out loud in this thread: REYLO!
It strikes me that people are too repressed to consider any form of ReyLo...perhaps because deep down they like it but don't like that they like it!
It's like the mass of Conservatives that show deep rooted signs of homophobia, likely because they were all at it at boarding school

Perhaps we shouldn't name it ReyLo though. Rey wouldn't go for Kylo, of course. Let's call it ReyBe - that both describes the true notion that is being shipped as well as the infliction of those that oppose it!

 

it's kind of too bad it's become such a loaded subject. it would be interesting to be able to talk about it without people fearing for their lives (or at least their ratings/standing in the Cantina). and i do agree, it's more appropriately ReyBe or ReyBen than Reylo. or maybe just Bey. hahahaha

i can see all the reasons people find this concept threatening, but i think, as always, a well-told story needn't worry about diminishing Rey or "lauding/rewarding" a murderer or whether it's incest or whatever our fears might amount to.

despite a pretty badly told romance in the PT, a lot of people rooted for Anakin and Padme (and still do in a weird way--revisionist art of their "happy" family is not only common, but practically has Lucasfilm's stamp of approval). so we'll see what the future of the ST brings and if ReyBe/ReyBen/Bey/whatever is part of that, hopefully it's done in a way that people can either get on board or at least not throw up too much about it ~ hahahaha

 

I think enough people want her to be a Skywalker than ReyLo is too close to the creepy Luke/Leia stuff from the OT and it's entirely off putting.

 

I don't get what the problem is with Kylo and Rey. Is it because Kylo is bad? Sometimes, in Star Wars, bad people become good people...problem solved!
That being said, I don't really care one way or the other, as long as its good. But I have no problem with Rey getting a boyfriend. She could use a good kiss.

 

Nobody. Please please nobody.

 

@master_shaitan : nope

But the question is... why? And I mean, strictly, from the writing point of view: why does Rey's character arc (for how it's set up right now) need a romance of any kind? And what does that add to the overall story?

At least for me, it's not a matter of being afraid of concepts (and I can't disagree with those who feel that ReyLo [or ReyBen, really] would encourage a rather... questionable concept of "relationship") - it's a matter of what is interesting. "Loves him after redemption/Redeemed by love" isn't really interesting. There are ways to make it work and even subversions to make it sort of interesting, but it is the easy way out.

And even if they go for something like that, it won't be the end of the world - as long as the way we get there is by means of a good story. But there are far better ways to serve that story than boggling Rey's storyline down in romance and far more interesting ways to end it than "Romantic Love Heals Everything".

 

it doesn't. but it's certainly very human and very relatable for many people (wanting love).

the potential for immense conflict? disapproving sides, confusion for them at cross-purposes in their goals? strain, tension, and heightened stakes? and yes, healing (much as some people find that distasteful--though I can't imagine why).

possibly! or maybe not. again, we're talking about a huge range of potential--the story doesn't have to fall out the way anyone expects it to. it might take some interesting turns, there might be shocking revelations. it might not seem interesting now, but it's all about how it's played, right? they're clearly set up in opposition in TFA: matched in the Force, but divided by their purposes. they might find out they're not so different, they might find out they have a common goal. they might fight like cat and dog all the way through this thing. but Ren is already smitten and i doubt that's going to go away any time soon (unless Rey turns out to be his cousin/sister in which case i think Abrams maybe should see a therapist ~ hahahaha).

right, it's not the end of the world, and a good story could make it work. and romance doesn't have to bog anything. did Han and Leia trading sparks in ESB bog down the storyline? maybe some people think so. but a lot more of them think it's the best of the series. so...eh?