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SPOILER Rian Johnson talk about the changes to the Force in TLJ

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Mr Hux, Dec 20, 2017.

  1. Mr Hux

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    This is force choking
    but I would consider this grabbing so ...
     
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    If there is reason in Disney, this man would not be allowed to touch scenario of the sequel trilogy.

    Give him dirrecting ,maybe, but do not give him scenario writing.
     
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    You grab something without actually grabbing it.
     
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    Thanks for sharing.
    Fascinating how it takes RJ to teach all these Jedi tricks to these new Jedi.
    Leia got blown up, not just blown into space. Whether she resurrected after being blown up or had Wolverine healing abilities, I know those aren't Jedi powers.
    And his ForceTime explanation was lame. The Jedi Council would meet with virtual holograms.
    I think RJ just broke rules because he didn't know any better, never studied Star Wars & is simply inconsistent telling stories. I'm still trying to figure out why some ships can fly through shields and others cannot in TLJ.
     
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    I was a little concerned when I seen Leia suddenly force pull herself back into the ship... Felt like a Yundo moment from GOTG Vol2...
    Was the only part of the film which I didn't like. But it answered all the fan theories on is she force sensitive... Honestly leaving her simply as being able to communicate with Luke would have been enough for me. Thoughts?
     
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    For me only Leia scene was...weird, maybe executed not the way i was hoping for.
    I always felt that Leia don't need to manifest the ability to use the Force in that way.
    She sensed many things (Luke on Cloud City, when Han died etc.) and maybe she used the Force to influence the others (as a leader).
    This sequence after blowing the part of Raddus was pretty shocking - TFA didn't prepared us for such demonstration of the Force.
    Honestly i don't think that it is necessary for Rian to confess why he made such plot decisions.
    That's his vision, accepted by Lucasfilm and Disney so we need to process it, deal with it and move on.
     
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    The reason Leia's Force scene looks ridiculous is when you take into account the context. She blows out of the bridge of the Raddus at an immense speed while the Raddus is surely going at a very fast speed in the other direction. In the scene, it's practically as if the Raddus had to stop in order for her to catch up in the meantime which is weird considering that it's a chase scene. Coupled with the fact that Leia isn't really a prominent Force user in any capacity, the scene itself borders on a continuity error because there is no way she would have been as close to the ship as it was shown in the film.
     
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    Quick question.Does anyone in here know if we every have seen such a connection between two force users like Kylo and Rey? I was there ever any mention in legends or whatever of a connection where two force users could actually touch each other? Thanks guys
     
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    The first link should be legends, while the second should be canon.

    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_bond

    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force-bond
     
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    I think RJ mentioned he looked at supplementary canon materials while directing. Then he just took the bits he liked the most and slapped them into canon.
     
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    Leia didn't get blown up, she got blown out into space. So did the rest of the bridge crew, they just couldn't propel themselves back.

    Snoke was apparently a master of mind and thought control. He says he "bridged" Kylo and Rey's mind. How? WHO CARES. We can't know how every mystical force power, dark or light, work. Maybe only Snoke can do it. Works for me.

    RJ didn't break any rules. The whole point of the force being a "mystical energy field" is the possibilities are endless. I thought people wanted to see the force EXPANDED. Rian added some aspect of the force that have never been shown. Most likely never discovered because the Jedi feared the dark side too much and only used powers they were comfortable with.

    The shields thing is easy. You can't fly through a shield unless you are going light speed like Han. Shields are down near the hangers when launching fighters. Kylo knew they were launching and flew into the Raddus and took out the hanger before they could take off.
    Rey's escape pod was expected so they lowered shields near that hanger and the Ties escorted her in. Kylo was waiting for her.
     
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    Now... I *think* what RJ is trying to get at, but failing miserably to do so, is to say that Force-pulling is not seen until Empire (Luke in the Wampa cave pulls his lightsaber towards him), although that's really a natural extension of the telekinetic abilities that we've seen before.

    But really Rian... what on Earth is Force-grabbing, sounds like something Donald Trump or Harvey Weinstein would be charged with.
     
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    If Rian had decided that the Force can do it possible for Luke to transform himself to a dog, you would accept it without asking any questions?
     
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    That's just a stupid question. Did you accept Lucas having the Force create Anakin?

    Communicating through the force has been seen since ESB with Luke and Leia AND Vader and Luke.
    The force creating illusions that seem real was also seen in the cave on Dagobah in ESB. So Rian's use of the force isn't a stretch. Get over it.
     
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    I tought it was stupid to say that Anakin was a space Messias. Now, please answer my question.
     
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    The Jedi existed for thousands of years before Qui-Gon learned about force ghosts.

    I don't know why it's so hard to comprehend that new force abilities can be discovered and learned.
     
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    I would think that is a terrible story choice.

    However, do you know how many fans were saying "Ashoka is the Owl" or "Ashoka is the Fox" in Rebels after she died?
     
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    I have barely seen Rebels.
     
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