Seen anything in The Force Awakens that disappointed you?

I agree, as much as I enjoyed Benedict Cumberbatch's performance, I hated that he was cast as Khan. Nothing like the character.

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Why?

How about they just make something new instead of plagiarizing and twisting stuff that's old?

 

Good thing I'm not one of those guys. It's funny that you mention fan fiction though, because The Force Awakens was actually the title to a Star Wars fan film, and Luke's lost lightsaber coming back, Vader's remains, Death Star 3, etc, all sounds like fan fiction - really bad fanfic at that.

I guess it is fanfic in a way though: JJ's fanfic...now we all have to accept it as canon.

But that's why they won't do anything original though? Strange answer...

 

Thought they threw all that out and JJ & Kasdan started from scratch....I really don't care whose fanfic it is that's made into a movie as long as it's good and does justice to the mythos.

Neither are you, and if you think plagiarizing A New Hope's plot, retconning Empire Strikes Back, bringing back Anakin's lightsaber, and giving Luke a 2 second cameo are good ideas, I don't think you're qualified to contribute to Star Wars, either, so no love lost.

And that's why you're wrong, I'm not an unpleasable fan, I'd just like to see something original that doesn't contradict what's come before.

I never said I wasn't going to watch it, I'm absolutely going to watch it no matter what, are you kidding me? The things I dislike about it so far could end up being minor bumps in the film, some of them may not even end up being true! The only thing I may need to be consequent about is whether I pay for it or not, which is something I will decide after the spoiler filled reviews hit.

Besides, according to you, how can I "hate" it if I haven't seen it yet, right? I gotta see it so I can at least complain about it.

But no, I'm not going to be a good little wallet and love whatever's put in front of me all of the time just because it's what's put in front of me. I have opinions, tastes, and investments in the characters. (I'm an individual) They have a greater value/meaning for me than to be defined by the whims of whatever the next person in charge says they are, and I won't accept someone else's definition of it forced upon me when it conflicts with what I know it to be.

 

So you're saying they DIDN'T throw out Lucas' ideas, as was reported?

Well if the answer is Luke is the bad guy or a p*ssy who hides and lets his friends get hurt/die, then the answer is wrong.

Me too.

Making Luke a villain would be out of character and making things into something they are not and have no business being, and that is most definitely not what I want. Don't be disingenuous. How about a new plot? That'd be something new that I'd want.....not a lightsaber with X amount of blades because they're creatively bankrupt...

 

I agree with many of Emperor Abrams' points - the overall plot and A LOT of the imagery is a blatant rehash of A New Hope.. and I am disappointed at the heavily backed-up speculation that Luke is only in the film for under a minute.

I get it though.. Star Wars is all about Darth Vader, stormtroopers, x-wings, tie fighters and lightsabers to Disney. They feel they can do whatever they want just as long as those things are in there.. Giant snakes, orcs, pirates, sexy droids.. you name it. Lucasfilm feel they can no longer come up with original imagery and that is sad.












However, I have no doubt The Force Awakens will be one of the most solid sci-fi action adventure movies of all time.

Lets just hope Rian Johnson will throw some original content in there next time around.

 

I'm just gonna deposit this thought... the new Star Wars really isn't for us old fans. There will be plenty of winks and nods, but ultimately it's for the new generation. We old fans are the Hans, Lukes and Leias. It's time for us to let the kids barge on through and do what they do. We'll always have the memories.

 

Seen? No. Heard? Yes.

Maz Kanata's voice irks me to no end. Comes off as cliche and very uninspired. Hopefully the character really comes to life in motion. Because the sound bytes of her thus far leave a lot to be desired.

 

While I agree that this SW movie, at least from what we've seen, isn't as creatively inspired as any of the original movies, it's really easy to bash its originality after decades of never ending SW content. We haven't even seen the movie, and people are already claiming all of this? I understand there were major leaks, but from what we've seen (and more importantly what we know we HAVEN'T seen), it seems there was a solid art/creative direction behind the making of this film. Of course we weren't going to see an all new, totally original universe because this is already built INSIDE of an already established universe.

A lot of criticisms I can agree with.. but suggesting there is no/little "original content" seems really silly to me. We haven't even seen either of the mo-cap characters which will surely be awesome, which is why they've kept them out of the ads.

It's like.. you get too far away from the SW universe, and people will claim "it's not SW"; there is easily identifiable imagery, "there's little/no creativity". I mean, considering the general following/criticism from fans over the years, this level of scrutiny is to be expected regardless of what happens, but I really don't see how a real Star Wars fan cannot truly be creatively excited about this film.

Plus, it's so easy to search for images/pictures that look similar. You can easily do that with imagery from the original Star Wars, if you'd like. I think it's a bogus argument, unless there was content directly lifted from another source, which is not the case here.

Also.. wow the tone in this thread has taken a turn for the worse. We can provide constructive criticism without getting nasty/negative (not in regard to the post I quoted)!

 

The new aliens from this movie that I have seen so far have really beeen a downer for me as they lack that look and design that both the OT and the new PT aliens had. I have always loved SW for the aliens more than anything but so far the only new one I have seen that I instantly fell in love with was Sarco Plank. The lack of familiar aliens aside from Akbar and Niem Numb also is not to my liking.

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No he didn't! I saw Solo dressed as a Stormtrooper, as a carbonite block and even in a trench coat! Han was almost dressed as an Ewok meal but they canceled that out cause it would have been the end of the character.

 

HAHA, this is hilarious! I LOL'd! And great post! I agree. Well said...

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Ah, well I'm glad Hidalgo knows. Because Lucas said:

"Well, the ones that I sold to Disney and everything, they came up to the decision that they didn't really want to do those, so they made up their own. It's not the ones that I originally wrote."

http://www.cnet.com/news/george-lucas-says-disney-ditched-his-ideas-for-star-wars-the-force-awakens/

And you would think that by the time of that interview, Lucas would certainly know whether his ideas were used or not.

Well everything MSW has predicted has been accurate so far, so that's why. The absence of Luke in everything only fuels this.

No, new characters is what I want to hear, but that doesn't mean the original characters shouldn't be in supporting roles, especially if they bring them back. Luke having a cameo is what I'm disappointed by, as well as not having a scene with Han and Leia, again, don't be disingenuous.

When it's the Rebel Alliance and the Empire reskinned as though ROTJ never happened, nope.

The defecting stormtrooper character (Finn) and his perspective is interesting, original, and unique, a worthy addition to the mythos and I have praised that and that's one of the things I'm excited for.

Hey, I'm happy Luke's important again, he always was, but since he's so important, I'd at least hope to see him. The cameo thing sucks any way you cut it. Luke is logically the only one who probably absolutely had to come back of the big 3 in a Return Of The Jedi sequel since Star Wars is about Luke and his story, everything from the original films to the prequels. It'd have made sense to have Luke in the film more than it being the Han Solo movie, but I'm happy to see more Han. I'd just love to see Luke with him. Seeing the original characters again doesn't mean they have to rehash their old stories, but that they'd be in a new adventure, in supporting roles of the new characters, that's what I wanted to see. Hopefully we'll get at least some of that.

 

NOw I´ve seen an electrostaff....well, not really a staff but a tonfa, ancient chinese weapon. And Guess what - I didn´t like it. First - the hero - pose of the stormtrooper? How proffessional is that from a whole life trained attack soldier? Yeah we have time, I´ll show you how badass I am. Happens all the time in battles, right? And now the electro-tonfa. We attack the Maz Kanata castle with all power - fighter-bombing, stormtroopers with blasters.....and a guy with electro-tonfa, just to be sure if there are enemies with lightsabers. But not force-sensitive, please, they would choke you and the electro-tonfa wouldn´t help you. So why are you carrying this kind of weapon to an assault of this proportion? Why are you trained with this weapon? Let´s assume it´s a non lethal weapon. eeeeeee what? First Order being kind to people, not wanting to hurt someone by accident? Errrrr, no. The other option - to kill a jedi. A jedi??? The Jedi! Well.....the last Jedi. Where is he? NO one knows for years....but to be sure, is someday a trooper cross his way...they better be prepared. Errrrr....what???? Force choke. But good for Luke they don´t know how thousands of Jedi were slaughtered with just blasters. NO electro whatever training was needed. Electrostaffs are canon. THey were seen with the Magnaguards. Yes yes, I agree. And continue that 10 thousands jedi were around at that time...So I´ve just seen the first moment of TFA I disliked because of lack of logic of that scene. You didn´t see the movie so don´t know......yeah yeah. But I´ve seen the Heroic pose. And I have brain. And I just hope JJ will show very well why the electro-tonfa was there.

 

As a few people have already speculated, myself included, the stormtrooper wielding the electrostaff-thing might personally know Finn, explaining why the trooper fights him one-on-one.

 

That´s not a bad idea. An old friend or comrade who sees a deserter, a traitor....but why the electro-tonfa? Did he knew Finn will have a lightsaber?....

 

It might not be designed to fight especially against lightsabers, just a support melee weapon.

 

Just to clarify, it wasn't "bad" because it was "original" or "new", it was bad because it was bad, which some ideas happen to be sometimes. That doesn't mean you stop doing new things, it just means you do new good things.