Seen anything in The Force Awakens that disappointed you?

Star Trek IV "The Voyage Home" is a good Star Trek movie, maybe the best.
It had all the ingredients, time travel/team work/funny scenes and a eco message.
The movie is really in the spirit of Gene Roddenberry and it feels like a enhanced episode from the series.
By the way it's Leonard Nimoy's best directing work in my opinion.
But Star Trek V on the other hand, it's a shame that Shatners script got cut and only the half movie was made.
So it is a decent movie at the beginning who is drifting into a bad one near the end.

 

Well Star Trek 4 ( whales ) actually is the best received Star Trek movie among film critic.

 

Trek 5 was beyond bad more of that movie would have been just that much worse. The entire premise of the film was flawed and way way way outside of the Trek wheelhouse.

 

Really?!
His characters are nothing like in TOS.

Uhura and Spock lovers?! really?!

Star Trek the Motion Picture is what Star Trek is about. Star Trek is not Star Wars. Exploration, new worlds and civilizations, social issues and problems of our society transferred into imaginary worlds of Star Trek, humans live in Utopia.

It was really obvious that Abrams do not understand Star Trek and that he knows nothing about that universe.

I really, really hope that he is better with Star Wars.

 

I don't know which aggregate review site you're using to make that claim, but I don't think you would want to play film critic card to prove JJs are the worst. I'm not going to post them; it looks like you know where to look.

 

Me in this thread:

 

Oh boy.
It is a well known fact.

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I agree

 

I hope he does good with Star Wars too. But I have faith that he will because I thought he did great at Trek.

He nailed Bones.
He nailed Kirk.
He nailed Spock.
He made Uhura a strong character which she was always supposed to be but never really got the shot even in they very progressive TOS. You are upset they hooked up that is a big change. But Spock had a relationship with Nurse Chapel so its not out of line for him to have a relationship and Quinto played the relationship very much like old Spock.
He nailed Chekoff
He nailed Scotty

 

Spock did not had anything with Nurse Chapel. But it was obvious that she was in love with him, and he also with her in very cold way.
Their relationship was very entertaining.

in Abrams movies there is no Chapel. Uhura and Spock never had anything in TOS. Their love relationship was total Abrams fabrication.
And it is totally out of character for both Spock and Uhura from TOS.

Uhura in TOS was into Sulu.

If Abrams really wanted to give some love to Spock, he should have use Chapel and mimic their relationship from TOS. Not Uhura and not in that full blown way.

Also when we add white Khan and milions other different canon crushing stuff..

This is one of the things that concerns me about TFA. That Abrams will make some questionable changes on old characters like he did in Star Trek.

 

Yes its a new relationship handled very much in character they way those characters behave. I never said that the idea of Uhura and Spock was not JJ's idea. I said that the behavior of Spock was in keeping with his character. Meaning the actor's performance felt like the Spock I remember in a new situation.

 

Abrams has admitted that the screenwriting process is not his strong suit, which is precisely why he has Larry Kasdan shouldering the burden. I've never really had any qualms with his direction. All of his films are tight and they MOVE. He doesn't spend too much time mired in expository dialogue and prefers to do, as Lucas and Spielberg did, expect you to use your imagination and/or keep up.

But let's not go there, re: Trek. I'm as big a Trek fan as I am Star Wars, but for different reasons. Trek for me is a series of mostly great TV shows, and a few good movies, that's generally true sci-fi. It's about the human condition, exploration, mystery and adventure. Star Wars is an old school adventure tale with broad archetypes behaving in classically described ways, but in the context of sci-fi.It's possible to like them both. They are not competition.

 

Really? we are talking about Simon Pegg.

 

I thought that Simon Pegg did a good job of portraying Scotty yes.

 

OT Spock would have never been in that situation with Uhura. So he is out of character compared to TOS version.

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This, exactly.

 

In what situation. In a relationship? I wonder in a slightly different alternate reality are we arging about how you hate JJ for simply rehashing Trek.

 

It's like comparing apples and oranges. But what Abrams did to Star Trek - to stay with the metaphor - is that he made the orange taste like an apple. The latest Trek flick felt more like Starship (Enterprise) Troopers than Star Trek to me.

In the context of this thread I find it "interesting" that the good guys in his Star Trek came with strong militaristic overtones while we expect these to be a characteristic of the bad guys in TFA...

 

Strong militaristic backgrounds like the villian into Darkness being an admiral making weapons and trying to ready a war while the good guys talk about being explorers.

 

^^ I had all the parading of the protagonists under the cogwheel flag in mind, I doubt Roddenberry would have been to happy about that. Somehow I was waiting for nuKirk to say "I'm doing my part" followed by nuSpock "And I'm doing my part, too". ;-)

 

Oh, and I'd also like to add not caring for the title and Darth Vader's helmet that was cremated in a huge inferno at the end of Return Of The Jedi somehow being salvaged and returning to the list of things I don't like with this movie so far. Way to ruin a beautiful moment.