"TFA is just just a copy of ANH!"

The point is that there's a big difference. That's all that's being highlighted here.

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She'd never done that before. I'd be surprised too!

 

I get your frustration at the haters, everyone, but I also think that TFA intentionally repeats the same basic story beats as ANH. Yes, Han doesn't die in ANH, but the death of Han to inspire Rey to action parallels the death of Obi-Wan in ANH, which spurs Luke on. Etc, etc. It's just that I don't mind these parallels: there is enough that is new to satisfy me, and most of all, the main characters are all interestingly new, and I care a lot about them. That's what matters to me.

 

Yes, I agree with you.

Both Luke and Rey responded to their circumstances in ways that were fully appropriate to their characters. I love both of them.

But I'm remembering the title of this thread, and talking about differences between ANH and TFA.

Compared side by side, Rey seems to be waking to the Force more powerfully than Luke did.

 

*yawn*

 

Wow. What a strange, borderline emotionally unstable thread.

Umm I think lord JJ himself has admitted multiple times that they tried to recapture the ANH feeling.

Also, even TFA defenders admit Starkiller was unoriginal and corny.

Finally, the biggest issues with TFA aren't related to ANH beats.

Yes, JJ is unoriginal but there are actually worse issues with basic plot and entry level screen writing.

What a strange, off the mark, overly defensive, emotional thread....

 

Agree....

 

Yes; welcome to Star Wars chiastic parallelism.
This is much more related to "A New Hope" and "Empire." - Lawrence Kasdan

Enjoy reading more.

 

Exactly, that why i totally gave up arguing with people on the internet over this, the lack of consistency and logic on their critique makes me wonder their ability to comprehend things in general.

So i just go watch TFA for a 6th time while they can suck my nerf herder

 

Let me make sure I have this ...

1. Someone says ANH and TFA are the same.
2. I disagree and point out differences.

and that's "strange, off the mark, overly defensive" ?

What?

 

Not me (points to avatar).
The Starkiller was beautiful to me.
It was showing that the First Order doesn't just make a synthetic world to perfect their ideal order upon, but instead grabs nature and twists its very core into their will.
It clearly represents that while the Empire was about idealism and order removed from nature, the First Order is about force of power and will over nature.
The Starkiller has a symbolic relative in Darth Vader, who was also a natural figure who was twisted by machines through his entire being into something more diabolical.

I also enjoyed that the Starkiller bears Luke's original name before it was changed to Skywalker.

 

I disagree, i think the OP made excellent points, as many people who posted after.

 

Girls mature faster than boys!

 

And they'll be spitting out the scruffy taste for hours!
Serves 'em right.

 

While I still loathed 90% of the PT....this is incredibly interesting...

The plot-lines are fine...the problems are Jar Jar, reliance on CGI, bad casting, and terrible dialogue....and unnecessary scenes that wouldn't add or detract from this ring theory.


But yes....It would seem the ring theory continues in TFA!

 

Yes, because even the ones strongest with the force need a master and training, not just a force flashback of other people's memories. More like the forced awakening...

 

Honestly; I think the main reason that the PT feels challenging to make it through isn't any of that.
True; those things are distracting in their own right, but a movie can get away with those attributes if it doesn't make people feel that they're wasting their time, and if they feel like they are wasting their time, then it means that they are aware that time is passing.
If they aren't aware that time is passing, then eventually its over with.

Normally we think that things that aren't fun feel like they take too long, but in the PT's case, it's more that the pace of the film actually feels far longer than the run time of the film actually is, and this is because it was shot with everything center-screen on the camera non-stop, emulating old '40's/50's film style (also why it was all shot on a set; because Lucas is a purest when he does an homage), and everything is in slow moving and lengthy shots.
Because there is so little activity, we soak in every single moment bluntly and, for today's visually primed mind, condescendingly exhausted.

If it was re-shot with the same script to fit to modern eyes and pacing, while people would still have issues, I think the volume of displeasure in population would decline.

I watch the PT like I read Sherlock Holmes by comparison to watching Cumberbatch's TV show.
They are boringly dry as hell, because their format doesn't fit to today's tempo, but I still appreciate the beauty in their art.

...but I'm still going to rather watch the TV Show.

And yeah; I think the parallelism method will persist throughout the new trilogy.

 

I can agree with much of what you said. Realizing that time passing is another problem in video games. I actually just had a friendly conversation last week about after 120 hours of gameplay in a huge game like...Fallout or Skyrim, that TINY bug that breaks your immersion for 30 seconds will drag that rating from a 10/10 to a 9/10? so a bug that happens for less than .5% of your enjoyment causes a 10% loss in reception.

So...I can see exactly what you say in the application of this sense....noticing the heavy reliance on CGI (which is hugely dated already), a few bad actors, and a few bad lines, really stand out, especially among a slow-paced film lacking enough content to flood the bad out of your thoughts.

 

Seriously the only two things that are identical with ANH and TFA is the desert planet and the huge space station-base blow up... Other than that, I see resemblances but nothing that actually justifies the claims...

 

There is one thing that is right on the same beat as ANH;Luke and company destroying the Death Star while in TFA Poe and company iare destroying Starkiller at around the 2 Hour mark.

Only difference in the two is that in TFA in is intercut with the duel between Rey/Finn vs Kylo. Then afterwards Rey finds Luke. The End

ANH There is a celebration where people get medals except Chewie(give him a damn medal dammit!)