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"TFA is just just a copy of ANH!"

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Benjamin Lewis, Jan 2, 2016.

  1. AstromechRecords

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    Steve jobs said it and so fidJJ .
     
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    or milk my moof! Or Hux's moof....
     
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    Hux and his moof need to get a room.
     
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    Yes, once he milked his moof it was all over the wallpaper.
     
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  5. Benjamin Lewis

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    Get out of my brain.
     
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    I like your post and I agree with the exageration in so many paralles moments between ANH and TFA.
    But these similarities don't bother me at all and at the end of the movie I felt good about almost everything in it. I think its because JJ was so good.with the choice of the cast and how the.characters were built and how we do really care for them (main problem in PT).
    In TFA, also, we have something completly new: Stormtrooper Finn and his desertion. Sum that to the fact tha we have a weak villain with posible mental problems (probably the best character).
    TFA is not a simple.copy or mimic and also.has some original momments.
     
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    Of course TFA was copy of ANH and some a bits of TESB. There's no disputing it.

    However, there are important differences. Like ANH/TESB being all time great films and TFA being absolutely terrible.

    On every level, TFA was a failure and demonstrated just how talentless and pathetic super-hack director JJ Abrams really is.

    I knew this a long time ago however, since 2009's reboot of Star Trek which was atrocious.

    As soon as JJ was cast as the director of Episode 7 I groaned, knowing with an almost certainty that the outcome would be disastrous.

    And JJ didn't disappoint, turning in a blast job for the ages....Disney might as well have hired MIchael Bay and even somehow found a way to incorporate Megatron into the storyline.

    The results probably would have been superior to what JJ produced. Which makes one wonder just how in the hell TFA managed to get that lofty 90% rottentomatoe score...one of the all-time great mysteries, on par with the sphinx in egypt....truly a enigma wrapped inside a riddle if there ever was one.
     
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    As much of a ripoff as it was they were going the safe route...to be fair he was really reluctant and scared to take the job as pretty much anyone who is not george lucas should be...TFA was definitely not a failure
    you would know if you're a true star wars fan..;)
     
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    Coming back months later after TFA was released and I'm ready to discuss it (love it more and more each viewing) and where we're going from here (I've been quietly observing critiques over the months).

    I don't think anyone alive will sit here and tell you there aren't parallels between TFA and ANH, but that was never in question -- JJ himself stated he used ANH and the other two OT films as a backbone for EP7 and the ST (sequel trilogy).

    But I gotta say.. this TFA = ANH BS is the most shallow, kneejerkish reaction a critic can possibly have. I recommend anyone who uses it as one of the main reasons they did not like TFA to immediately go back and watch the film at least two more times to really get a feel for what has been created and what it means moving forward into the next two films.

    Now, I'm not saying you cannot use the parallels between the OT and EP7 as criticism (you can), but to use this as the reason why you don't enjoy the film is missing the core plot/character development entirely (which is what makes TFA such a great and rewatchable film).

    There are so many subtleties that really make me smile when rewatching TFA. When Rey looks at BB-8 and asks "Where do you come from?", it's as if she's looking into a mirror and asking herself the same question. The similarities between the two characters allow for a natural connection which drives their relationship throughout the film. Or using Kylo's decision to kill Han as a direct inverse of Vader's decision to save Luke (this isn't a copy of Vader/Obiwan's meeting in ANH whatsoever), which places Ren on a much darker path than we've seen of any previous characters (even Anakin).

    The attention to detail in terms of character development is the best it's ever been, and considering the importance of these characters and their stories, I've never been more excited to be a Star Wars fan than I am now.

    Those looking for more creativity and ingenuity within this incredible universe should be damn satisfied with EP8. I think we're in good hands with Rian Johnson.

    And the story is in a perfect place to grow into the best SW has to offer.
     
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    I don't suppose there's a source for that, is there? I know he's acknowledged the ANH-TFA similarities, but I hadn't heard about the entire OT as a template.
     
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    Well, despite your scathing review of the movie and JJ Abrams, (as you said) TFA has a 90% on RM which means that there are 9 out of 10 actual movie critics that disagree with the disgruntled fan.

    Everyone has their opinions...you have yours about the entirety of the SW franchise, I have mine, and regardless of what we think, the majority of critics will rule for the score, for or against your opinion. :)
     
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    Your excessive and insulting manner of trolling throughout the forums is becoming very frustrating.

    It's one thing to strongly argue an opinion with facts. It's another thing to preposterously throw your opinions around as if they ARE facts.
     
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    You're a bad troll.
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    If I could,I would sig this.
     
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    That was bound to happen eventually.
     
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    Not anywhere near as dark as General Krell,no,just,no.
     
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    I wouldn't say it's a copy. It has the same story beats, but it's presented differently (bit like TPM and ANH). Doesn't stop it from being the weakest addition to the main saga. Don't get me wrong, it's an OK film with some real sloppy writing. To me it just isn't episode 7, it doesn't flow, it's a soft reboot. TFA is episode 1 of the Rey saga. 1 thru 6 is the Skywalker saga. (Unless 8 and 9 connect the dots better, but I shouldn't have to wait for sequels to make the story of TFA fit).

    But anyway, on topic, it's not a straight copy.
     
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    "The Force Awakens" is not a shot-by-shot remake of "A New Hope". But the two movies have a lot in common in regard to narrative. Actually, I feel that they have so much in common that the 2015 comes off as a remake. I remember reading an article on the EW.com site in which the reviewer claimed that she spotted at least 18 to 20 similarities between the two films.
     
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    The big twist is that TFA is happening during ANH. That explains why they look like.
     
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    I can spot even more similarities, but I can spot those similarities in any other SW movie. In the end, TFA stands in a dialogue with ANH. However that dialogue ultimately produces something new and original. I also really think that most SW fans when they compare ANH and TFA know that the two are completely different. It might start off quite similar in the first few minutes but then changes into a different creature. The problem which produces the comparison is Starkiller and the short trench run. But in the end Starkiller merely functions as an 'evil prison' from which our heroes have to escape. Rey does not destroy Starkiller. Luke did destroy the death star. The information in R2 was meant to destroy the death star. The information in BB8 was meant as a clue to Rey's true belonging. Similar set up, but in the end completely different resolution. That's narrative for you..........
     
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