That RT user score...

No, I'm afraid not my friend. There can be a conspiracy about BOTs being used to lower a score, but there can't be a conspiracy about "paid off" reviewers... A butt hurt fanboy using BOTs is real, but a multi-billion dollar corporation giving out a few backhanders is complete nonsense.

(for those of you that don't get it, this post is sarcasm through and through - I'm on your line of thinking @JTerry )

 

So a different opinion=illegitimate to you. Good to know.

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Neither was TFA. Or empire or new hope or return. And especially prequels.

They are classic films, but they have hokey moments too.

Very few films are 90% worthy.

Ok so different opinion=paid shill.

Love how you ignore the negative botting btw.

 

Please let me know how the first order took over the entire galaxy when 7 clearly stated they didn’t in the opening scroll.

What happened to the new republic’s army? You can’t tell me it’s the resistance which only has a few hundred people at most.

Who made the map to Luke? It clearly wasn’t Luke as he didn’t want to be found.

How did Snoke sense Luke with the force in episode 7? The audience is clearly told he disconnected himself from the force

How did Yoda burn down a tree? He’s a ghost and shouldn’t be able to interact with the material world. If he could he could destroy the first order as he’s invincible.

How is Rey so gifted with the force of her parents are nobodies? As shown in episode 1 the force is genetic, which is why Anakin was such a big deal even surpassing master Yoda. Rey easily surpasses Anakin with having so little training. How does she do this? She even overpowered Luke and even Kylo overpowered Luke. This shouldn’t happen.

Why didn’t the first order deploy any tie fighters to pick off the resistance fighters and transports?

What was the point of the casino subplot beyond pandering? It didn’t go anywhere and devalued Finn as a competent character.

And countless other plotholes due to several
Different writers and directors between the trilogy.

Those didn’t get 93% on RT tomatoes lol Empire and ANH did but they deserved it.
ROTJ got 80% apparently TLJ is better than ROTJ

TFA did too but without ANH no one would be calling it a bad movie. It’s great with lots of suspense and Han Solo was fun. Maybe not 93% worthy but beyond being a rehash didn’t do much wrong.

Prequels sat at 54% 60% and 79% respectively a far cry from 93% TLJ got doesite prequels not having stupid plotholes and subplots.

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Her entire summary for why the movie is good was because women are main characters lol.

#notarealcritic

 

What about the positive botting. It works both ways. It is the world we live in.

Don't tell me there was not an online marketing campaign by Disney or by their secondary marketing organisations to convince everyone that this film was good before it was released. The critics fell for it. The fans didn't. I think that is the difference.

 

PT has no plot hole or stupid plots=mind blown.

I think you are just butt hurt over people rating TLJ highly.

She could've said she likes the movie due to spaceships and nothing else. It still a legit opinion.

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No it’s not legit at all. She’s a critic she needs valid reasons. A critique isn’t an opinion in the strictest sense.

The forums on here and audience scores show that people indeed do not rate this film highly.

Maybe some people do because oh look spaceships wow and girls doing stuff double wow 10/10 movie do.

But the rest of us fans who know the universe and the themes and messages know TLJ is a disaster film.

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Why is Hodor’s sacrifice heroic but Finn’s isn’t huh? Can anyone explain that?

People are mistaking an opinion with a critique. A critics job is to evaluate the film, consider all pros and cons and give a verdict. Not tell us it’s good coz women are in it and do stuff.
No and I’ve read many of these so called critics reviews.

Just like ghostbusters remake being an awful movie yet having a great tomstometer why is this the case? Because these fake critics are politically motivated to give a good review based on politics not based on a films quality.

This is a fact.

 

Disney have released films that have gotten bad, or mediocre reviews before (Iron man 2 sits at a coveted 73%, and ant man is worse). By your logic suicide squad and other massive franchise "masterpieces" should also be at 90%, because they bribe the critics amrite?

This film is good. To me. See? Opinions are subjective not fact like you're trying to make your own, and the positive critic response seem like as a paid shill team. Critics fell for nothing but their own opinion,

 

Well at least according to RT, we can rule out Bots as the reason for the low audience score:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robcai...audience-score-is-100-authentic/#7394d4764231

 

Because Holdo knew her sacrifice was a 100% thing, to save everyone in the resistance. Finns want because he was trying to give his life up like Poe was earlier, as a "hero" than with any real thought or logic.

Again, YOUR OPINIONS ARENT FACT. WE ARENT THE "TRUE" FCKING FANS, WHO MUST PRESERVE SW THEMES AND MESSAGES AS PURE FROM THE "terrible" TLJ.

For some people it is the women and space ships. But they still love SW! WE ALL DO. THEY ARE "valid" REASONS AS MUCH AS YOUR AND MINE OPINIONS ARE.

 

Conspiracy busted, however we can not rule out politically motivated critics with an agenda as a reason for the movies high score.

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Excuse me but that’s not a critics job. And many reviewers stated they have never seen a Star Wars movie before this one so of course they won’t care about the films inconsistent characterisations and messages.

 

He spoke to a spokesperson. Who of course wouldn't admit the fault in their polling system.

Someone linked a guy here who was admitting to botting the rt score, also the QZ article.

 

Please tell me how Finn’s sacrifice wouldn’t have been heroic. They had no idea that Luke’s apparition and Rey were coming and the device would have breached the door: Finn destroying it would have saved the rebels from destruction.

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Wouldn’t be suprised if they were paid off by Disney to say that in order to mask the fact fans didn’t like this film as much as other Star Wars films.

Easy way to destroy credibility, and Disney is known for manipulating people. Have we forgotten the recent theatre fiasco?

 

No the conspiracy ain't busted. The Forbes article leaves out the admitted botter which the QZ article links.

A critics job is to a review a movie and score it, it's their opinion. She gave reasons and a score she is a reviewer.

ITS NOT ABOUT THE EFFING LEVEL OF FILMS THEYVE SEEN. you're a gatekeeper, a fan phile who is using his love of canon as a means to dismiss everyone else's opinions. That's not how this works Bob. SW ain't for us "pure" fans anymore, it never was. I bet when ESB and whatever came out, there were reviewers who'd never seen a saw film before and liked it because they saw the space ships. Same thing now.

 

She didn’t give valid reasons, it’s how a 5 year old would score a movie.

She is not a real critic and I don’t take her seriously. I believe the audience score more than reviews like that.

#fakecritics

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>Not anymore
>Never was

Pick one

 

It would've for about five minutes until they got another canon to break it down. That's why Rose stops him, the few extra minutes wasn't worth his life, especially when they didn't yet know no allies were coming. Leia sends out a distress signal, noone comes. With Holdo she did it to stop them firing on innocents until they could get to Crait and met the supposed allies.

I give up on your latest comment. I've already wasted enough time on a prideful idiot like you whose also a conspiracy nut. Whatever I argue or say you're just going to point to "Disney bribing" as the excuse for it all.

You can't believe people legit liked the movie, before you know you'll be saying Disney bribed me.

Many theatres use that small theatre policy, a five min Google search would've cleared that up for you.

 

Bots or no bots, the thing to look at is box office numbers. And I haven't bothered to look at any recent TLJ numbers, but if there's a significant drop in numbers, then you'll really know if it wasn't received well by audiences. People talk with their money.

 

No evidence or indication they have another breaching device. Dialogue implied it’s something rare. They certainly wouldn’t have had many with them in the landing party.

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Thank you for your kind words sir. I’m sorry your feelings are hurt because many people didn’t like the movie including mark Hamill who disagreed with everything done to Luke Skywalker.

 

Without highlighting each of your questions. You are following the same path of mis-classifications of plot hole as the others. These are you opinions of the information provided to you by the story. You can't say plot hole for something that just simply wasn't explained to you/handed to you on a platter.

But because I can't resist a good debate... my answers are inline above

 

Please don’t include your own head canon explanations for these plotholes.

If something isn’t explained it is a plot hole until it is retconned in the sequel.