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That RT user score...

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by TheBBP, Dec 16, 2017.

  1. TheBBP

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    That is a bit arrogant to consider that you and those who agree with you are the only ones who care about this franchise.
     
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    In the words of some of the people defending this film through exit polls, it's the people who "aren't invested and are just there for a good time" that will show how great this film truly is which is a misguided sentiment. That kind of reflects upon my response favorably.
     
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    LOL, wow. Yeah, you don't speak for anyone but yourself lol. It's asinine to convey any level of message that insists that anyone who enjoys this film does not care about Star Wars.
     
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    Why?
     
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    Um, this is a thread about the RT user poll not about about your personal experience of the film. There are threads for that.

    Is there anything else really to discuss here:

    A) The RT poll has been abused by trolls and it's not a good measure of how the audience really feels
    B) The the most scientific measure of general fan appreciation are similar to the last two Star War films
    C) A vocal minority is a lot more angry about this movie than they were about the last two films or they're better organized
     
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    Yeah, I'm arguing that even exit polls are about as unreliable as people here claim the RT user score to be.
     
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    Who said I didn't write a review on RT ?
     
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    People can argue anything they like, but are you some kind of expert about how studios measure how well fans like a film? Or are you upset the way they measure the film doesn't agree with your worldview.

    Who said it's relevant to this discussion?
     
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    Oh come on don't play the moderator policeman ...
     
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    I'm not moderating. I'm just pointing there are threads for people who didn't like the movie and this is a thread about online polls vs. scientific polls. Whether or not you or I posted an online review is irrelevant to the question at hand.
     
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    Dunno how you can say that actually polling people who have just left a screening is unreliable... Anyways, Vanity Fair weighed in on it...

    First of all, it should be noted that the audience members most likely to run to Rotten Tomatoes to register their opinions are a very specific, very reactionary kind of fan. In the less self-selected CinemaScore—where general audiences are polled as they leave the theater—The Last Jedi earned an “A.” Yes, the very same as the well-liked Force Awakens. Furthermore, there’s someone on Facebook who claims to have maliciously and single-handedly manipulated the Rotten Tomatoes score in order to “keep it dropping.”​

    https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywoo...ative-fan-reactions-rotten-tomatoes-score/amp
     
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    And what if those people further reflect on the film on the future and decide they don't like what they saw on repeat viewings? Are they reliable in that case? Data like this usually isn't reliable without followup and I don't think people care enough to do that for reception to a movie.
     
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    Also...

    On diving into a comparison between rate of reviews on other current releases and recent blockbusters, we noted a few abnormalities. For instance in The Shape of Water, there are a number of audience reviews where the review copy is for Last Jedi, not Shape of Water. This only lasted for a relatively brief time, but over a span of several users. It reads as if someone might have misconfigured a bot.

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    In addition, comparing the user review rate between Last Jedi and Thor, we noticed that Last Jedi already has far more than Thor does. While Thor had been slowing to only about a dozen reviews per day in recent weeks, as of Jedi’s opening, the number of Thor reviews have skyrocketed. Many of which are by the newly-created accounts which did a low score for Jedi, then immediately turning around and doing a Thor review.

    Comparing that user behavior with other film release, something feels atypical to say the least. If it’s a coordinated campaign or a bot farm, however, remains to be seen. The possibility remains that there is simply an army of individuals all racing to do their very first reviews ever for Jedi, but the more we dig into this the more it feels manipulated.

    https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/12/17/manipulated-audience-score-last-jedi/
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    The box office will reflect that. As of right now, the box office is LOUDLY declaring that user score to be absolutely manipulated.
     
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    Except I'm not talking about the RT user score. I'm talking about whether or not the exit polls are any more reliable when they get people who just came out of the theater and most likely have not reflected or thought about a thing they just saw.
     
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    So, you are asking about a scenario where people exit a movie happy and having enjoyed what they have seen give it a REALLY good score and then changing their minds later and never going back to another one?

    LOOOOL, I am sure that happens, but not on a level that would register at the box office. Yes, exit polls where people who leave a film and are asked to score it are indeed reliable.
     
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    No, are you? I brought my questions up because I was legitimately questioning the applicability of both RT and exit polls.
     
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    He does a good job explaining the scoring systems, if you are interested in that it is worth a watch.

    TLDR: RT/IMDB user scores are easily manipulated and are untrustworthy. Cinemascore comes from folks who've actually seen the film and are more reliable.

    He also adds that either way, you should make your own opinion.
     
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    Generally most popular movies gets a great Cinemascore.
     
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    Having spent two years looking forward to it, I was just baffled at what I saw. Maybe I do need to watch it again, but not one area of that film blew me away.

    Some of the scenes were hilariously bad, the dialogue was terrible and the character development was non existent.

    This my own opinion but the fan feedback being so negative is a good thing, it will hopefully send a message that fans want story and characters rather than useless sequences and little development of plot etc.
     
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    I agree. Fans who are unhappy should speak their minds, and maybe get a petition going. Save Rey's character!
     
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