The Basic Plot of The Rise of Skywalker, Updated and Expanded: Act I (Via JediPaxis)

Is that thread still going? Maybe there's a new one. It was the most discussed topic between TFA/TLJ.

 

@DailyPlunge It's a new one here in TROS forum.

 

Ah, just saw that. It probably should be merged into the main Rey Parents thread that @master_shaitan started.

 

Palpatine built an Observatory to further his Contingency efforts on Jakku. Rey was hidden on Jakku. Most likely Palpy’s contingency involved Rey.

 

Paxis's alleged source's emails:

massive redaction

All this long lost Lando daughter business and no Kylo Ren backstory* are things that are wrong or missing I believe, along with Rey is only Palpatine's granddaughter business is either wrong or misinterpreted. The 'Forest Moon of Endor' allegation appears to be wrong as it's the ocean moon Kef Bir. And is that really a FO Captain's medallion? Among other things. Between the admitted redactions and the missing information and the possibility of misinterpreted or poorly decoded shot list (the leaked TFA one was encoded with proper names and nouns swapped out for code names and nouns) and late reshoots and changing variations of the ending in editing, there can and will be differences.

* That Resistance Reborn novel has Leia saying to Rey that

Spoiler

she's [Rey's] going to have to ask Kylo why he fell to the dark side in the first place

, the answer to which is not addressed by that book AFAIK nor by Paxis's various summaries.

 

I find it hard to believe they would use "asoka and others". Imagine the confusion for the general audience... Some random voice(s) they never heard before, because she(they) is an animated character(s). It would have no emotional impact for them. It sounds like he is trying to cover his behind.

 

I agree, using Ahsoka and other characters that casual fans will not recognize is unlikely. We will probably get Kenobi, Qui-Gon, Yoda, maybe Windu, and the more recognizable voices.

 

I say that, and yet they brought back Maul in Solo. They pretty much said, "hope you watched The Clone Wars!"

 

I agree, because a lot of this stuff would be dialogue-heavy. Obviously the leakers are - as is always the case - better at getting a handle on who is going where, and doing what with whom, rather than the subtleties of what they are actually saying to each other, for obvious reasons.
It makes those kinds of exposition-based scenes hard to pin down.
I suppose it's like trying to piece together a movie plot with the sound muted - they are just guessing a lot based on artwork, stills and descriptions of "what was filmed".

I suppose the main problem I have with this is simple. Remember all those scenes of Senator Palpatine with his lovely wife? Remember that lovely tale of domestic bliss? Remember the wrinkled old prune up in his throne room in the Death Star - his beloved daughter in the creche there over in the corner of the chamber?
No, neither do I...
Could this somehow just be guesswork because he casually refers to Rey as "my girl" when he confronts her? Y'know, just like Jabba calls Solo "my boy"...
Something about it doesn't ring true for me... but then I scoffed about orbaks stampeding across the surface of a Star Destoryer too, so what do I know...

Again, agree and agree.
Endor could quite easily have been used as a placeholder for Kef Bir during production, or JP has simply made a massive assumption (as everyone else did after the teaser trailer, to be fair) that the Death Star wreckage would have to have settled on Endor. Jannah leads her tribe against the First Order on the ocean moon of Kef Bir + Jannah provides Rey and co with transport to the Death Star remains pretty much all but guarantees Kef Bir is where those remains are in the movie.
And as soon as I read "captain's medallion" I thought it sounded suspiciously like one of the code names from the TFA call sheets.


It's funny, and I don't know where you personally stand on this, but some people seem to dwell on the "stuff they got wrong" or "stuff they didn't leak" as if that somehow invalidates the other parts of the leak which are correct, and I never quite understand that.
Surely there's a happy medium where you just look at all this stuff and make a judgement, and some of it stands up more than some of the rest - you can accept the parts that ring true without declaring everything JP has said to be the gospel... it's not a binary choice.

I mean, I was beginning to doubt the JP stuff as much as anyone else when all the redactions started, but a significant majority of it is looking to be based on genuine info now. So, good for him, and respect to him for sharing in the first place.
Just seems more productive to me to try and contribute towards figuring out more of the whole picture, and trying to get a handle on how this all fits together, rather than sitting around pointing at the flaws in our understanding and blaming JP for being wrong, when he's the person who probably provided most of the bits we DO know.
To quote David Lynch: "That's the hole, you are supposed to be looking at the donut..."

 

Wait hold up. That's not Endor?! Hell, when the Lucasfilm logo pops up, it certainly sounds like Endor and even looks like Endor.

 

The Death Star remains have been said by the Disney Parks blog to be on the ocean moon of Kef Bir which is also Jannah's homeworld.

https://disneyparks.disney.go.com/b...tures-continue/?CMP=SOC-DPFY20Q1wo1017190018A

 

And if you are referring to this:


It is unclear whether there are two jungle locations seen in the movie, IMHO.
One is certainly where a Rebel/Resistance base is located and is probably called Ajan Kloss, as revealed by the location among the Episode IX planets featured on the new Star Wars Monopoly board:



It's also not clear if the Ajan Kloss base is abandoned and sought out by the Resistance as a refuge on the run from the First Order - some of the shots we have seen of the Blockade Runner suggest it may be in an overgrown hangar, rather than something that looks in-use.

I'm not entirely sure whether the shots of Rey training are supposed to be taking place on the same planet, but you would presume so.

Don't forget, trailers and TV spots for The Force Awakens used sounds lifted directly from the OT movies which were replaced in the finished product (Endor sounds for shots of Takodana, Sandcrawler droid chatter for the shot of the big red droid walking away from Maz's castle, and Nien Nunb dialogue from ROTJ for the same character in an X-Wing cockpit - all different to the sounds heard in the finished shots).

Kef Bir is a different location altogether, grassy plains and massive oceans, from what we have seen.

 

OMG THEY F'N KILLED CHEWIE AND LANDO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!THIS BETTER BE CLICK BAIT!!!!

 

See this is something I don't agree with. You put new characters in film all the time. Empire Strikes Back gave us Lando. The Prequels gave us Mace Windu and others. Heck The Last Jedi gave us Rose Tico. I think LFL can't and shouldn't assume fans can't handle it. If you put the characters in and do it right, maybe do a line or two to explain it, then you are good.

 

completely agree, except that i see no need to explain it.

i see no issue with hearing the voices (or seeing as force ghosts) of a dozen Jedi that are completely unknown to us. give us the names in the novelization for us to all geek over later.

there are enough complaints from pp saying that the SW universe is too small... it's a thousand generations !
it would almost be silly to stick to the same old few if you ask me. i'd go the other way

 

I hope they are not going to just leave that to the comics...

 

I have one supposed "leak ending" that is not sitting with me:

Spoiler: Possible Leaked Ending

The Ending with Rey taking up the Skywalker name does not sit right with me. I have nothing against her being the heroine of this trilogy, but I think she should have her own name if she is not blood relation to the Skywalkers. I understand that the she would give herself the sir-name Skywalker not to be associated with her real lineage (if rumors are to be believed) Palpatine, since there is great honor to the Skywalker dynasty. It feels like a cop-out. It almost appears that the Grand Daughter of Darth Sidious was delivered the victor's spoils in the Skywalker Vs. Palpatine decades old battle. She got Anakin/Luke's lightsaber, Han's Millennium Falcon, the affection from Leia, Han, Luke and Ben Solo and now the Galaxy will forever know Rey as the Skywalker that defeated the overall evil of the darkside and the First Order. The predecessor of the blood related Skywalker's victories will fade away into oblivion. Basically Anakin is not the chosen one, Luke and Anakin did not bring balance to the force and Ben Solo/Kylo Ren is weak. I just feel like giving Rey the Skywalker name will be too divisive with the fans. I just honestly hope that this is just a rumor and that this is not what happens at the end of the film. I still think this movie will be good, I just hope that this is not the ending, if it is, I will feel like, great movie, but the very end scene could have been better. Who knows Rey Skywalker could very well work with the context of the film and I may surprisingly like that she takes up the name.

Well that is my rant of the supposed rumor or supposed leak. I'm still looking forward to the The Rise of Skywalker, but I'm more honestly looking more forward to the movies in the future with all new characters and story lines. No nostalgia to cling to and no expectations of any legacy characters.

 

Just FYI I posted those here two days ago too

--- Double Post Merged, Oct 24, 2019, Original Post Date: Oct 24, 2019 ---

Everything is going according to how I have foreseen it

 

Soon the spoiler free rebellion will be crushed and Rey will be one of us!

 

Rey Palpatine makes sense. Explains her force abilities for some (though it doesn't really need an explanation). The accent thing (as I've mentioned before) was always odd to me. It also leaves her parents as no one really important. I'm not sure who they could connect her to parent wise that work work. Carrie Fisher isn't around so making her a Solo would be useless for the story and she would get that moment with Leia. It also ties to the ending if she adopts the Skywalker name. Casting aside her connection to infamous SIth follower.