SPECULATION The Connection Between Rey and Ben.

Sure. Of course it doesn't confirm anything! Nobody claims it does. We are just giving examples of people (one would assume SW would respect) of some reputable standing appreciating Reylo fanart and thus pointing out to certain posters here who hurl insults that other fans liking such art means they are perverts and in fact is perfectly normal and even done by people who supposedly one would assume are a bit involved in the production. I hope that at least that point doesn't fly above your head as well?!

You are entitled to dislike something. Like it or not it is a perfectly possible possibility is what people are saying.
However let's not allow some to insult others with whom one disagrees is what we are saying, Sir.

 

Ben Solo falling in love with Rey and this love being his redemption is anti-women? Rey showing the power of compassion and love over hate is weakness? Rey kicking Ren's arse and being the hero isn't empowering for women?

Ok.

 

oh man, that's hilarious! i love it!

 

I know.



You know that

 

Certainly haven't argued for that. Quite the opposite in fact.

 

Well, perhaps from your point of view. I can understand where you're coming from. But many, many other fans don't interpret any of this the same way you do (I'm one of them). That's fine that we disagree, if we're respectful to one another. There's nothing whatsoever wrong with respectful disagreement.

 

Pomo, I completely agree. Not only has Rey already been kidnapped, imprisoned and tortured by Ben, but she also watched him murder his own father in cold blood. We already got stuck with a completely ridiculous scenario where Padme married Anakin even after she knew that he was a mass murderer. There is no reason whatsoever to bog the ST down with what essentially amounts to the same thing.

 

I'm pretty sure that if, if they mean for Reylo to happen, it will and should be "handled with extreme delicacy and great character development".
And nobody wants a repeat of puzzling romantic motivations for falling in love such as Anakin: "I killed them all. The women and children too." Padme - He is hot. I'm gonna marry him. He can float a pear and has a pretty smile and a smoking hot body too.

 

respectfully, fandom isn't burned out on lightsabers and aerial dogfights and Force nonsense and galactic space nazis.
why would they be burned out on romance?
it doesn't have to be sappy. Han and Leia weren't, right?

and it's not really a heavy subject (heavier than patricide? or, if we look at the books too, child abduction and abuse?).
and why couldn't it be handled with delicacy or sensibility or heck, even just good humor?

he hurt her.
she paid him back twofold.
i'm calling it even at this point.

 

She also watched him run his own father through with a lightsaber.

There's no way to "even-Steven" that one.

 

but that's between him and his father. it has nothing to do with her.
Luke watched his father kill Obi-Wan and still came to believe in his goodness. it proved no barrier.

 

Come on, guys, this is Star Wars. Use your imaginations! Look at the past movies, especially the OT. If all you see is Luke looking for revenge and carrying his own personal grudges around, then what makes this movie phenomenon any different than any other scifi-fantasy out there? It's forgiveness. It's compassion, in the face of pain, despite pain, despite being wronged. It's doing the right thing.

That Vader guy, he cut off Luke's hand! (He "killed" Luke's mother!) He tortured Leia and blew up her family! No way Luke is ever going to forgive him! That would send a wrong message that kids think it's okay to mutilate people and kill their mothers and blow up stuff!

And please don't tell me that it makes a difference because Rey is a female and Luke is a male or I'll scream. (And it will hurt your ears too. )

 

Ben won't have a happy ending, like love and babies, sorry, no way.

Redeemed yes, happy ever after, can't see it.

Same as Vader didn't. Remember Padme. "Your going down a path I can't follow, because of what you've done".

He's a cold blooded murderer. He ain't getting a love story.

And there brother and sister imo. At a push, cousins. I think siblings is cooler.

 

good thing they retconned that whole Greedo thing.

 

Yes, Luke came to believe that his father could be redeemed. I'm not disputing that. However, we're talking about a woman choosing to love a sociopath. We were already asked to buy into this idea in the PT. Is this going to end up being one of the key underlying themes of the Star Wars franchise? "Hey girls, go ahead and marry that abusive goon. You CAN change him!"

Let me put it another way.

Your daughter comes home and tells you, "I'm going to marry this guy who murdered his own father in cold blood. I LOVE him!!"

Is the whole thing still an unrelated private matter between the guy and his dead father? Does Patricide McGee still get your blessing to marry your little girl?

 

Yep. That's probably why they did it.

 

he's very clearly not a sociopath. it doesn't help the discussion when we just make blanket judgments like this. his whole arc in TFA is a struggle with his compassion (which, yes, he loses in a big way). but i'm pretty confident that even in a gffa sociopaths don't cry to their grandpa that they're feeling the pull to the Light.

yes. if Patricide McGee is truly contrite and has found healing--and especially if there were mitigating circumstances.
because again, you're making an extreme analogy.

what do we (or Rey) really understand about why Ren killed Han? he didn't do it out of anger or hatred or greed. he did it out of pain.
and yeah, nothing is going to change the fact that he still did it--right there in front of all of us as plain as day.
but we also know he did it in a state of confusion under the influence of a very evil controlling entity.

none of which makes it remotely okay. but i think it mitigates the "cold blooded murder" aspect of it.
enough that Rey could come to empathize with him? i don't know.
as i've said from the start, i think they could come to be friends and learn to work together out of her forgiveness and empathy.
is love such a leap from that?

as for the message: ultimately it's for parents to teach their children, not space fables.

 

Option 3:
Everything you see and hear on film is placed there deliberately - often with the explicit purpose of allowing viewers to form multiple interpretations on multiple levels.

Hell yeah - it's a fairytale on film for goodness sake!

I don't know what Einstein was like as a father, but I often think of his comment: “If you want your children to be intelligent, read them fairy tales. If you want them to be more intelligent, read them more fairy tales.”

I find it confusing sometimes - as an active and loving uncle I'm always trying to reconcile my desire for strong (non-princess please) protagonists in my little girls' field of vision with my understanding that it's unfair, lazy and boring, to reduce fictional characters into “role-models” for real-life little humans!

Skilled storytellers can infer and explore adult themes without young minds understanding, and kid's can handle some complexity. The children in my life have a great ability to tell what's real from what isn't – it takes adults to muddy the water for them.

As to the concerns over abuse, despite the terms and definitions we throw around there is a consensus that there is something perverse in:

• harmful actions toward another person without their consent
• the powerful exploiting the powerless
• cycles of abuse

Good luck telling an interesting fairytale set in wartime without such abuse or presenting interesting protagonist/antagonists that don't change.

Besides, in a saga story the themes and story inform each other as the plot is developed. I'd be hesitant to start restricting any narrative potential from the writers without understanding the greater picture.

The interesting themes and questions to me here are:

• Can people change?
• Under what circumstances it desirable to love you enemies?
• Under what circumstances do people go beyond “redemption”?
• When does justice become revenge?