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The Force Awakens - "The Worst Movie Of All Time" (Video Review)

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by SKB, Dec 15, 2016.

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    Well I watched the rest of this ridiculous video. My first go was just a few minutes. Sadly the video strains credulity. I believe it is a completely dishonest attempt to take issue with a major movie for views and to gain some sort of "cool" by rejecting something popular.

    I say dishonest because the vid was well done and the maker seemed to not be a sociopath lacking emotional affect. But in nearly every single critique this intelligent person claims not to understand what's going on in the film. In his critiques he never mentions the obvious clues from the scene and context or speaks about the clues that are there but applies them in ways that no thinking person would.
     
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    I know a guy who has seen it 10 times in the cinema (who hasent rewatched a movie in a theater ever before and not a massive SW fan).
    The internet is the biggest cesspit of the world. It provides voice for everyone. However, all the professional reviews have been overwhelmingly positive (and even the biggest youtube chanels). So sure, you can listen to the internet idiocity if you want, but please dont act like a review coming from someone who can barely construct a simple english sentece, worth as much as a well educated professional's.

    This review is just a big scam. Some idiot with a youtube channel decided to copy the RedLetterMedia review style and gave it clickbait title. The bait worked for some it seems though sadly. The "review" barely even has any competent arugment, its just a collection of the internet bashing and some nitpicks. He hardly covered any of the real issues of the movie. No wit, and pathetic humour (seriously, fart jokes...)
    As far as I think, Rogue One already fixed every single major flaw of TFA and is a worthy SW film. But no matter how good the future movies will be, people will bash it regardless, as its always cool to bash popular and new things (its the same as defending the preques just because its a Lucas project).
     
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    I was kind of partial to your pre-edit version. :)
     
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    I think they missed the gesture because she's strapped to a table and you can't see her hands in the shot, LOL. But sure, "ineptness."
     
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    I would love to hear about the repercussions Disney is dealing with, please tell me more :rolleyes:

    Well put post, I just had a question about this sentence. Could you give some clarification on Rogue One fixing flaws in TFA? I love both movies, I'd just like to hear your opinion.
     
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    My reasoning for liking the movie that it was a fun and well-crafted Star Wars film that kept me interested in the story and the characters, something that the prequels failed to do in every respect.

    Every massively successful movie gets its share of internet blowback. It is a requirement that popular movies get trashed after the initial wave of success. Look at Avatar and Titanic. This is what people on the internet do, and I couldn't care less what a bunch of nobodies on the internet think. The question is why do you completely discount the professional critical response, plus the popular response in favor of what nobodies on the internet think? And there is no shortage of TFA fandom online and in social media. Go take a look at #starwars on instagram, for example. Plenty of TFA-inspired art and imagery there.
     
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    i'm actually going to argue that Rey is actually way ahead of Luke. she's out scrounging in the desert, learning to fight and survive while Luke is in his Uncle's garage playing with speeders. hahaha

    Rey already has a lot of skills she needs (being able to understand and work with ships, self-defense) before her connection to the Force enhances them (being able to figure out how to pilot the Falcon, beating a very broken Ren with an unfamiliar weapon she wields rather clumsily).

    but yes, i still contend that if Rey were not a woman, this wouldn't even be an issue.
     
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    Just look what Vin Diesel does.


    Rey can fix things, fly a bit and has some force tricks up her sleeves..............but this guy wow!
     
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    This is silly talk. JJ is seen as a hero, and pressure has been completely removed from KK. Regardless of what you think of TFA, these are facts.
    --- Double Post Merged, Dec 23, 2016, Original Post Date: Dec 23, 2016 ---
    I know I'm not the person you are asking, but for me, what RO fixed was all the crap that was just scientifically ridiculous, like:

    -the explosion of the Hosnian system being seen in the sky
    -Starkiller base essentially becoming a star but the ships getting away just fine
    -the whole ridiculous premise of Starkiller base, which comes with so much silliness (one small thing for instance, is Hux being able to stare intently at the light of a frigging star shooting out of the base without so much as sunglasses)
    -and another one, how the heck did Snap's reconnaissance yeild such an incredible 3d schematic of the base that even includes details on its core?
     
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    this is my favorite thing ever: further proof that Hux is a freakin alien ~ hahahaha
    i guess i understood they got these plans from spies ~ so they are FO schematics, no?
    i don't know why i got that impression. maybe it's in the book? someone black me up.

    or maybe i assumed that's what the reconnaissance was about since they yielded such amazing schematics ~ ha!
     
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    But they were referred to as "reconnaissance flights"- I just don't understand how they could have gotten such detail without a copy of the plans, but that is kind of J.J.'s calling card. Of course, this specific plot weakness is ABSOLUTELY fixed in Rogue One, as it is a central point.
     
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    i dunno. i just can't take it seriously enough to worry about details at this level.
    it's a story about little green mystical space gnomes and lazer swords.
    the science of it feels mostly irrelevant to me.

    so my brain says: they did a scan, whatever that means in this galaxy, and this was what resulted.
    the point is they got the picture. i don't really care how because that's not the point of the story.

    it is kinda the point of R1, so yes, it had to make connect-the-dots sense in that narrative.
    in TFA, eh, not so much.
     
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    More and more I'm realizing that TFA is a characters first, story second film, and thus perfect for JJ. Rogue one is a story first, characters second film, and apparently that's a really good fit for Gareth Edwards. Makes me want to see more from him. Someday, hopefully, we will get a SW film that has great character development AND storylines, as that is what we got in the originals. Maybe Ep 8..
     
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    The kitchen maid story again, eh? :D Yes it bothered me, too. Besides the junior novelization does confirm that the light was too glaring and that only stormtroopers with their visors like Captain Phasma were able to glance directly into the beam. Anyway the choice to let Hux stare into the light (without his eyes being blocked) was a deliberate one, I guess- you know, because otherwise we wouldn't be able to read his emotional state.

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    you know that kitchen maid had tentacles ~ hahaha.

    i tell you, if there's not a legitimate reason for those blue contacts in the story, i'm going to make a youtube video about how this is the worst movie of all time. : D

    maybe Hux's eyes are cybernetic (yeah, i'm totally going there).
    hence the contacts.
    hence being able to look into the blast.

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    Didnt want to trigger the entire fanbase :)
     
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    Hahaha, I know we're getting Off Topic, so I'll keep it short...



    ENDORSED! :D
     
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    I use the dark side.... hehehe

    I'd also like to change my account name to MeAndOthersThinkTFAisOK. How do I go about doing that? I have already checked around account settings and it wont let me edit my username.
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    My final synopsis on the movie is that it was OK. Just so you know, my username doesn't reflect how I feel about it now.

    That said, I wouldn't call it a great movie. I honestly think I would have written a better script than JJ.

    I would have established a Jedi Order fully functional in the movie, with Luke head of the Academy. I also would have had Han and Leahs son as a Jedi. I then would have taken Ben Solo and gave him a male child. Then I would have focused in on the child of Ben Solo and started it there. I would have made said child experience tragedy, and then in his own free time as a padawan I would have focused on him researching history... the Sith.. the Empire... Darth Vader.... then more tragedy strikes as he starts to get older... and then something queues his curiousity and he goes to the Sith homeworld in search of something... and Han encouraging Ben to bring his child back from wandering off into the galaxy.....

    And the child at a young age on the Sith homeworld would begin to discover holograms and more history.... then one more tragic event and a meeting with a Sith force ghost on said homeworld would be the catylyst to his fall to the dark side.

    Would have made an awesome story.
     
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    Perfect response to trendy TFA hate:

     
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    It's cool that you like TFA and everything but some of your points for defending it are indeed incoherent.
    1-The Rey/BB-8/Teedo scene: Jakku was shown to be a harsh lawless world where you did whatever you could to survive. Who was Rey to stop Teedo and on what grounds? That stealing a working droid was bad? Funny how a couple of scenes latter she would steal a ship. A droid shouldn't be wandering around without an owner and the Jawas clearly showed us this and Tatooine was not as harsh as Jakku. It made no logical sense why Rey did what she did.

    2-Poe's jacket: We are to believe that Poe's jacket was an original piece of art and that nobody can have one that looks the same? Look at the jacket Greedo used:
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    And what about Han and Lando?
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    Just because a droid which came out of nowhere and who've you just met tells you that said guy stole his masters jacket, you go and bash his face with your staff? That makes no sense. For all that both BB-8 and Rey knew, Poe could easily have traded his jacket to that strager for water or even help on getting off Jakku.

    3-Opening scene: The way you try to justify Kylo Ren does no credit for the way the movie shows him. This is the leader of the Knights of Ren and a guy personally trained by Luke Skywalker for crying out loud! Vader had the same types of conflicts and he never made stupid choices that endangered his missions. Saying that Kylo killed Lor for just for mentioning his family would really degrade his character much more than help him. It would also show Snoke as incompetent for having chosen such a fool as his apprentice. Every choice that Kylo made regarding Rey and the map were bad calls and even Hux noticed this in the movie.

    Finally you said the video is subjective, narrow minded, and a ridiculously biased projection of animosity toward TFA and that the guy who made it clearly hates the film yet I am passionate about SW and I love both the OT and the PT in the same way and I never let any supreme expectations cloud my reason when seeing a SW movie but when I went to view TFA completely excited and with high hopes, I indeed was disappointed and I noticed many of the flaws that the dude who made the video noticed. It's kind of funny that fans can hate the prequels and it's completely justified but you bash TFA for it's obvious flaws and all of a sudden your a hater and a troll.

    I'm not going to go as far as saying that TFA is the worst movie ever as that's really stretching it but I do say that at least in my opinion, it's the weakest SW movie ever made.
     
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