The Last Jedi = The end of the Jedi Order

Luke recognises that the old Jedi ways are flawed, they must adapt for the future. Therefore, the Grey Jedi story will come into play.

 

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/J-J-...n-About-Star-Wars-Villain-Kylo-Ren-79057.html

They aren't Sith. They went out of their way before TFA came out to make sure we know Snoke and Kylo are not Sith. The Sith are gone, Anakin destroyed them.

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Don't use that term. Its ridiculous, terrible and makes no sense.

 

MAYBE this is going to be CRAZY to you to believe BUT what if:
In the FIRST time of the history of SW we are going to SEE THE FORCE.When Luke ask Rey:
BREATH....
"What did you SEE?"... she said: "Light,Darkness,the Balance".She is SEEING that....
Remember when Yoda trained Luke he said..."Feel THE FORCE .Is around us".He NEVER tell him .....What did you SEE?"It look that Luke CAN "see" something MORE than Light,Darkness and Balance NOW.IS THE FORCE.I think we are GOING to "SEE" THE FORCE of SW in TLJ.The FORCE is MORE BIGGER than the Light,Darkness or balance.
Start jumping like a kid inside a jump house playing because THIS will be EPIC .


This NOT mean that is the end of the jedi and the jedi order.Luke will teach Rey HOW to SEE THE FORCE and how to USE THE FORCE to become a NEW generation of jedi for GOOD.I have this feeling....

 

The end of the Jedi, don't be daft haha..

They just want to raise the stakes, from I'm your father in empire, I mean how do you top that, I know.. let's put the whole Jedi in question. Great stakes

That teaser lines won't be in the film I bet, Hammil recorded it separately, at least he said that at the panel. I would guess the Jedi will be reformed, in Luke's vision of the Jedi.

There is no gray Jedi, your either a Jedi, or not at all. Gray would be force sensitive, force user, or gray ex Jedi.

 

Agreed!

I'm in the "you can't get rid of the Jedi" camp. I can handle "reforming" the Jedi away from the dogmatic PT order, just the Jedi are an integral part of the Star Wars allure for me.

LST's line about the Jedi being needed for balance is a signal (beacon of hope?) for me that the Jedi aren't going any where. Unless they decide to make LST sound like a dummy. Every word in a script is chosen with purpose, and I believe those words were written for LST because the Jedi truly are required for there to be balance in the ST GFFA.

But who am I kidding... Disney has my money for every movie they slap Star Wars on...

 

"A Sith....Lord?" Mace Windu certainly seemed surprised to hear the Sith were back. Maybe the force can pop out Sith Lords like it can Chosen Ones? Sidious has a master so maybe they were there all along just flying under the Jedi's radar.

 

This is a very interesting read. I say this as a person who wasn't a a big fan of the PT, but I have sort of re-evaluated it since the teaser last week.

While Lucas choose to tell the PT as the story of Anakin Skywalker, I still think that story doesn't resonate with me.

But if you look at the PT now in a more macro sense and focus on the Jedi Order, The Sith, The rise of the Empire, all of the sudden it ties into the ST a lot better.

 

It really feels like 2017 is the year for reforms.

 

The Jedi will not end. They are deliberately misinforming the public to preserve the VIII surprises. It's all clever editing. ''It's time for the Jedi....(cut) To end.....'' Probably from another line in the film.

Unfortunately, rare, but they screwed up recently and gave away the game. In an interview, Rian Johnson said that for him, the title always meant just one thing, Luke is The Last Jedi. lol, but Disney and everyone else involved thought differently. Right? as every where else in the world the Title is plural, Les Derniers Jedi, Los Ultimos Jedi, etc etc.. Pretty sure Rian was in the loop, and he's just playing the game now since everyone believes that the Jedi will end. Not quite.

Let's not Forget Lor San Tekka and Luke have a history and...

"I have traveled too far and seen too much to ignore the despair in the galaxy. Without the Jedi, there can be no balance in the Force."
―Lor San Tekka to Commander Poe Dameron

 

Pity. I would have much preferred if Rey or any other Force user would practice or study the Force without the existence of the Jedi Order. I really don't see the need for the Jedi Order to return. And that line from "The Force Awakens" strikes me as a lot dogmatic claptrap created by Abrams and Kasdan.

Come to think of it, why is it necessary for Force users to be a part of some organization?

You mean . . . those that follow "evil" . . . right? I believe it is a more economical way to say it.

 

I think with characters like Maz and others they are introducing a concept of Force Users who avoid the highly polarized dogmas of the Jedi and Sith. While I am a fan of the Jedi, if they are able to write the Sith out of the storyline I don't see why they can't write the Jedi out. You'd still have Force Users and LS usage, just different attending philosophies and ideologies. Heck in the Knights of the Old Republic Video game (which I assume no one considers canon necessarily) there are Force Users and LS who are neither Jedi or Sith. It's not beyond reason, it's a concept that at least exists in the SW continuum.

 

I think if Jedi don't remain as the ideal it damages the climax of the OT. No labels is not as bad as learning the jedi were wrong or evil. The OT presented them as heroic iconic guardians of justice in the Old Republic. Luke in his best moment tossed aside his sabre and declared himself a Jedi. Moving away from that distances the material from the creator and tarnishes the victory of ROTJ.

 

I would have to go along with this. The first time I saw the trailer, to me, the way both of those lines are spoken don't seem to be in the tone of voice. Just like were edited from two different lines of dialog. As we saw with the RO trailers, where entire clips were not even used in the movie, there is always the possibility that one or both of the dialogues may end up not being in the movie. May be used to raise interest and questions. Just a thought.

 

I agree with that. I believe Rian Johnson and the Lucasfilm team did not like how TFA was nearly fully leaked. They are most probably throwing fans in a different direction in order to hold the surprises. I don't mind that in a way, but they have to be careful not to alienate fans by mistaking them for fools.

 

If part of the plot is to end the Jedi then they gave away quite a bit in the trailer.

 

I personally don't think so.

''Without the Jedi, there can be no balance in the force'' Lor San Tekka- who studied Jedi for decades.