SPECULATION The Official Rey's Parents in Ep. IX Thread

Part of me wants her parents to not have any significance to the bigger story and part of me wants a subtle nod to a minor, but previously established character. Either way I'm curious to see what direction they go in and look forward to whatever happens.

 

I have no idea. On one hand J.J. could pull the rabbit out of the hat and fool us, or she could still be a nobody. But I think that's why he plans on tieing all the trilogies together. Something is there that may just been there the whole time we hadn't thought of. Personally for me she still doesn't have to be related to anyone though. Either way is fine by me.

 

Well I'm actually okay with Rey Nobody but wouldn't it be great to confront Rey with her parents so she has to deal with the question "why did you leave me on Jakku" and with the feelings towards them.
So here we go. Opening shot:
we see a small vessel trying to escape another slightly bigger one. They leaving the screen.
Move downwards: a Planet comes to sight looks like tatooine but with less suns.
On the planet: We see a roughly 40 years old woman with a little girl talking to Unkar Plutt:
Woman: I'm told you can find anybody on this planet. This is Rey, please bring her to Luke Skywalker, I've heard he is here (Legends of Luke Skywalker has some storys about him on Jakku). Tell him this is Trixies (why should I come up with a name, when JJ did it for me) daughter, but she is not save with her anymore. Also tell him the force runs deep in his family.
Take this ridiculous high amount of credits or your expenses.
Woman to her daughter: You'll be safe here. I'll be back soon.
Woman turns around and bumps into a man after a few steps. With a gun he threatens her to enter his ship. We see the ship take of and the little girl on the ground scream 'Come back...'
Next we see Poe, Finn and Rey in an combined effort to free prisoners from a Prison Planet (This is star wars you have planets for every purpose and every climate). After some epic batltle and explosions, they lead the prisoners to a big transporter (It's always a good idea to recruit prisoners in your troops when you're short of volunteers). On the transport Rey walks by a woman (~60yrs old) She looks at her for a long time, finally saying her name: Rey!?.

So now Rey has to deal with the feelings towards a mother who left her in the hands of that ugly Unkar Plutt on a planet that isn't exactly made for a little girl.
We learn that Trixie had met Luke some 20 years ago, she became pregnant, he didn't know because she left. Maybe she even had some drinking issues afterwards and being a scavenger for the sake of a 'certain point of view' in Bens vision. She then had some conflicts with local authorities and was hunted by a bounty hunter who finally caught her on Jakku,...
Now we have an inner conflict for Rey (need to forgive her mother, deal with having met her father without knowing it, having a cousin that went berserk, your grandpa was a nazi,...)

 

A good argument as to why Rey should stay a nobody is this: if Rey is a nobody, the theme of the ST would be "anyone could be great, you don't have to be related to someone". And if JJ retcons that, it would be like "sorry losers, but one has to be a Skywalker to be great".

 

Actually Rey Nobody isn't a nobody but another chosen one. So you have either sorry you losers you either have to be chosen by the force or a skywalker to be great.
But being great isn't the point here, being strong with the force is. We already have Finn Nobody and Poe Nobody anyway

 

you're both right.
it isn't about being strong with the Force, it's about being chosen by the Force.

anybody can be chosen by the Force.
you don't need a pedigree, a powerful bloodline, etc.
Rey was chosen because of the greatness of her heart.

even the fishy-eyed toilet monster said so. XD

 

Yes, exactly.

 

I've always thought the same thing .... I think that I could believe that Luke would go into exile a lot more if his best girl was a casualty in his battle with kylo. I can also understand why he was so quick to draw his lightsaber and why he gave up on Ben.

Look If I were Luke and had the opportunity to prevent my wife from death but didn't take it because I realized it was the wrong thing to do only for my to be killed by My nephew moments later. I'd be pissed at myself just as much as i would be at nephew. Sure I might even exile my self to death in depression. Jacen Solo kills Mara Jade in the old EU when he becomes Darth Caedus. Why not have Ben kill her when he becomes Kylo Ren. They've already taken the meat of that story.

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Truth.

I would however like to point out that these 9 films are supposed to be the narrative of the Skywalkers. Rey being the main characters does not require skywalkers for her story. I believe that aside from Ben whom is playing the primary villain, the skywalkers are really playing a secondary role that could be filled by any other made up character. even Kylo Ren doesn't need to be Ben solo. TheSkywalkers can be changed to the Skyjumpers and the story is unchanged.

Nowhere in the lore has it ever been stated that in order to be a great Jedi you must be related to great Jedi. But it does stand to reason that if you are related to the chosen one you have a higher midichlorian count the the average force adept. although you also have a chance of being a dud. Its not about coming from a powerful bloodline and being powerful because you're part of the family. It's about telling the story of the family. What better way tho to pit cousins or siblings against one another.

Lets look at the first two trilogies

Prequels
The Chosen One: A boy is discovered by a jedi, falls in love, and trained in the jedi arts. He fails to defeat the darkness and betrays his friends and family. First by losing his mother to sand people and second by turning his back on the two people the loved him, Padme (his wife) and Obi-wan (his brother for all intense and purpose)

Original trilogy
The chosen one reigns supreme in the empire and is slave to the darkside. A farmboy his son and a princess his daughter battle against him in a rebellion. Luke the farmer Jedi feels the good that remains within the chosen one and helps him to return to the lightside. Leia the bad ass princess takes down his evil empire and brings peace to the galaxy.

Now in the Sequel Trilogy
The Chosen ones kids screw up and a Random chck from the desert has to come fix everything
......

Doesn't seem to me that in needs to be episode VII-IX.. It could be its own story that involved those characters much like the spin offs rogue one and Solo.

I think a much better finish to the story is this

Sequel Trilogy
The Chose Ones Grandchildren must learn to work together to bring down the sith who started it all. They must bring balance to their hearts in order to defeat the chosen ones creator Darth Plagieus and bring balance to the force.

Now some might consider that lazy writing but me I think it fits well... and as much as TLJ seemed to have worked against that narrative... Episode IX can still make it happen.

to each their own, this is merely my opinion

 

I think that they could do anything with it. J.J. could easily flip the script and say that she’s a Skywalker, but we’ve always agreed with the reasons that @FN-3263827 brought up, and I do think it would be a shame if the script were to be flipped in that way.

However, I do still question whether the people that Ben saw were really Rey’s parents. Read the Aftermath books, and you get the feeling that perhaps Rey is part of a larger plan or goal with how the events on Jakku, and what the Empire is doing there, are relayed to us. That doesn’t take away from the fact that she paved the way for her own destiny, and she still wouldn’t necessarily be related to anyone of note.

I don’t think that she is a clone or anything like that, but for the sake of my point, let’s think about if she were some sort of experiment, which was something that was thought about at length here: she’s found by a scavenger on Jakku in a tank hidden away in some old Imperial research laboratory, and they raise her as their daughter; for all intents and purposes, Rey is going to believe that these drunkards are her parents, despite not having a biological connection to them. How would Ben be able to sense anything beyond that, if Rey truly believed that these people were her parents? If she were hypothetically synthesised and created, how would Ben be able to learn this from their Force connection?

I don’t think that her parents being drunkards - or, at least, the people who raised her - denies us the ability to speculate that she could still be related to anyone or have been created in some inhuman way. She could very simply have been the daughter of an Imperial stranded on Jakku who died in childbirth, for example, and someone else adopted her as their own.

@SuperBenKenobi1992, that’s crossed my mind, too. The one thing which I don’t think enough people talk about with regards to TLJ is what Luke says to Rey about Ben Solo, when explaining about how he confronted him the first time.

In the film, Luke becomes so emotional and filled with anger when he states that “He would bring destruction, pain, death, and the end of everything I love because of what he will become”. He talks much faster, and Hamill did an excellent job of conveying Luke’s emotions here. The way in which he says it is suggests to me that someone, or something, had already been taken from him by Ben/Kylo prior to this talk with Rey. Is he referring to Han, and, supposedly, Leia? I’m not sure; he only just found out about Han, but maybe he has a lot of pent up angst over losing his friend. Is he referring to the Jedi Order? I don’t think Luke ever “loved” the Jedi Order, or the Rebellion/New Republic. Or is he referring to a possible wife/partner?

I do think that it’s possible. Yes, Luke lost his attempt at rebuilding the Jedi Order, but I can’t see him instantly closing himself off from the galaxy while his punk of a nephew runs around the galaxy free as can be. It’s just not believable; yes, he was in the wrong for confronting him in the way that he did and pushed Ben further away, and of course felt great shame, but why wouldn’t he try to resolve the situation? Well, perhaps Kylo blackmailed him into hiding by threatening his family, or even just outright killed his family.

I think J.J. could add a slither if information like that to retroactively make Luke’s reasoning for abandoning everything a bit more believable. Not that it wasn’t already, but it would add a substantial layer for those that complained about Luke not trying to confront Kylo after he let him loose on the galaxy.

 

For sure.... i personally thought that Luke didn't have a good reason to be the way he was. Johnson painted him as a ninny that ran away from his failure. But know that Luke would have done anything but run. For me, it would have to be a greater loss than my nephew knocked me out and set my temple on fire. I understand that his guilt and shame played into his decision but that didn't feel like how Luke would have handled it. maybe for like a little bit but not for potentially 5 or 6 years.

In the TLJ making of documentary Johnson admits that at first he didn't have a reason for why Luke was the way he was. It was only after Hamill challenged him that he sat down and thought about it. He came up with that Luke thought he was being noble to try and let the Jedi religion die ending with him. Luke felt that the more he intervened the more he would ruin. While that did help, I still just didn't get a Luke Skywalker vibe from that decision.

i also think that people have to look at that Parentage reveal again and understand something. Yes Rey is the one that says they are nobody. However Kylo Ren is prodding telling her to say the truth that she fears. Did he really see anything except her fears. Di he really see her parents. This scene in my mind plays of so much better if its flat deception. Its actually the most brilliant scene in the movie if he is manipulating her. Weather the parentage reveal is true or not we do know that was his intention. But I feel like it not being true adds strength to his ability to manipulate. Think about it Rey didn't want to believe that her parents were nothing specials. she'd "lied" to herself for 14 years hoping some great hero like Luke Skywalker or Han solo was her father. Yet she is willing to believe this man whom until like two days ago she hated. I mean it's Kylo Ren. You were just calling him a monster you saw him trick his own father so that he could kill him. Why not you?

 

To ty the 3 trilogies up in a nice neat package is kinda difficult when your main star is a random nobody.

 

Not if one of the main stars is a "somebody" or how some people define somebody => a Skywalker. Kylo Ren.

 

Why is "Rey is a daughter of Han and Qi'ra" suddenly a thing? Do we really assume that Leia would've stayed with him if he had had a romance? Besides, this would also mean that they had to fall in love once again some twenty years after Solo...

 

It stll difficult because the story is about Rey not Ben... yes Ben is a big part of her story but he doesn't need to be Be Solo to have the same effect on her story. At the present if Rey is a nobody then the story ceases to be a skywalker family story. However if one of the following is the case then it is possible for this to still be a skywalker tale.

1 - The story fouces on Ben and Rey and there force bond and how Ben defeats the dark side like his uncle and granfather with the help of lets say the love of his life.

2 - Rey finds belonging within the skywalker family as Ben's pseudo sister.... This is tricky as Leia will probably have a very small role and Luke is dead. other than Ben her only real attachments are to Finn, Chewie and now Poe. Luke gave her zero reason to feel like she belongs with the skywalker's and leia and her haven't even really interacted out side of the ir hug and farewell at the very end of Force awakens, and the 2 second scene at the end of last jedi.

if those two aren't happening then I don't personally see why Rey's story needs the skywalkers in it. As I stated earlier this third trilogies story is "The Skywalkers skrewed up and a rando from the desert must bail them out" ..... The skywalker Family I.E Ben needs to be the focus of the story. right now the only purpose he serves is as a conflict for Rey.

 

This is exactly the story which was told in TLJ or at least started to be told. While Anakin fell to the dark side by the help of his love, Kylo Ren will rise to the light by the help of his love.

 

They wouldn't have to fall in love again .... The way it ended with Han and Q'ira and the end of Solo suggested that he may have gone on to continue to love her for a while until he realized he had to move on .... If she had come back into his life during a hard part of his an Leias life its very possible that some kind of one night stand thing could have happened and Han never even knew about rey... if she were Q'ira's and han never knew that could explain a lot of the funny looks he gave Rey in TFA

Lets look at the timeline

10 BBY - SOLO: A star Wars Story
0 ABY - Han and Leia meet
5 ABY - Ben is born
15 ABY - Rey is Born

what was going on in their lives around 14 - 15 ABY .... We do know that there was a strain on there relationship in part do to Ben and his darkness .... Leia was also consumed by the Republic ... and Han was evidently gone a lot on missions probably with chewie ..... its not hard to conceive of a night where Ben had a force temper and Leia and Han got in a fight over it. the next day Han leaves on a mission and the fight is unresolved.... who should he encounter but his teen sweet heart. feelings come rushing and the heat of the moment takes Han... guilt comes over him and plays into why they get separated later. Thats a pretty powerful story if you ask me. Theoretically neither Han nor Q'ira were strong in the force... it is however a popular fan theory that Han ad force potentially that was never tapped into. It explains how he is such a good pilot for a human.

All that being said.... it is an unnecessary theory that is just another straw for people to grasp.

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I know, i'm not a huge fan of that story though, and one could argue that romance was or wasn't there... it was vague enough that it could played of as something other than that of a romantic bond. familial, friend, sibling student, etc...

Not saying its a bad story... but it did feel like flipped direction with where they were going in TFA

 

Well, the Reylo Fans would disagree with you. They told you so from the very beginning and Rian wrote this story way before TFA hit theaters. Reylo was always the endgame for this trilogy.

 

Rian Johnson also wrote his story without any regard for what J.J had already done .... I'm not convinced there was an end game... I think both J.J and Rian saw a different story in there head and that's partly why we are in the predicament we are in. VII-IX were not written by the same person and so the stories conflict.

I'll never be able to convince a Reylo supporter that J.J didn't intend for Reylo to be a thing just like they will never be able to convince me that he did. it's because TFA was written wide open that you could almost suggest a number of possible directions ... all which could been vastly different and wrong from what J.J was actually planning for his supposed episode VIII and IX. Now it remains to be seen if J.J will continue with the direction Rian was going or if he'll go back to his vision, however different or similar it may have been. It's even possible that he may try and blend the two visions to a greater or lesser degree.

My agrument for Rey needing to be a skywalker isn't to say that Reylo is a bad story or that Rey being a nobody is a bad idea... but until i see how the trilogy concludes it is difficult for me to see this trilogy needing the skywalker's in it at all or requiring numbers given how the characters have been handled thus far.

 

I would prefer Rey to be connected to Vader in some manner. The PT already shows you dont need to be born from Force weilders to have the Force in you.

Obviously you can pass it down too but not required.

 

Keeping Rey a nobody makes more sense thematically. She is a nobody looking for a place of belonging. Her arch nemesis is a somebody breaking away from his heritage.