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THE REALITY OF MEETING YOUR HEROES- LUKE SKYWALKER AND THE GENIUS OF THE LAST JEDI

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Ammianus Marcellinus, Dec 16, 2017.

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    I think something went wrong editing you post. Is this what you wanted to say:

    ---------"Listen, I'm new and this is my first post. I consider myself one of the biggest Star Wars fans out there. I've been theorizing on post EP6 Luke. But before I get to that... Please tell me what sense it was to kill of Snoke. Honestly. Let's talk about how powerful snoke was. He was able to bridge minds between people. He made Rey look like a peasant in terms of ability and strength in the force. He was essentially reading minds. Ben Solo, pretty much a nobody in terms of "sith" strength, was able to assassinate Supreme Leader Snoke? But after he takes down what surely was the most powerful force user in Star Wars history, he struggles to fight 6 guards. SIX GUARDS. AND HE HAD REY WITH HIM. Like what is happening to Star Wars. "---------------

    Perhaps Snoke isn't as powerful as you think he is. If you talk about "supposed to be" you're talking about fan theory. What I learned about Snoke is that he is arrogant and tries to play Hux and Kylo off against each other. Kylo was basically following Rey's example, he was shielding his thoughts like she did in the Starkiller interrogation room. Kylo was thinking ambiguously. Besides, the guards are there for a reason. They are no push overs. One can even think that Kylo needed Rey to confront Snoke and the guards. He knew he could never do it alone.

    But even though I very much like you question, the topic of this thread is Luke. :) Perhaps you can post your question in the Kylo or Snoke thread?
     
    #42 Ammianus Marcellinus, Dec 19, 2017
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    Oh I can talk about Luke. Grand Master Luke Skywalker. Quoted by the creator of Star Wars himself to be the most powerful Jedi to have ever lived... Bested in combat by Rey. Cool story.
     
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    Have I seen a different movie: didn't Luke disarm her quite easily? Rey got the lightsabre, she cheated. Isn't Luke the most powerful Jedi to have ever lived?
     
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    A Jedi disconnected from the Force for years, aging and weak- who still out maneuvered her until she grabbed the saber (damn- Rey is mad angry and crazy sometimes)
     
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    Commits the greatest on screen use of the force we have ever seen.
    Rey cheats and uses the saber.
    He still catches himself - like a damn boss - before hitting the ground

    Im really beginning to think they're releasing different cuts of this film
     
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  7. Ammianus Marcellinus

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    The hate-edit. Featuring a more substantial role for Porgs and the fan favourite BBHate
     
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    If he was the most powerful to have ever lived she would never of gotten her hands on that saber.
    --- Double Post Merged, Dec 19, 2017, Original Post Date: Dec 19, 2017 ---
    I humbly disagree. Snoke bridging their minds was the most power use of the force we've seen.
     
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    Until he got a sabre through his guts. Luke got a sabre to his guts........but he wasn't really there.
    [​IMG]
     
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    Not even close.
    Luke projecting himself as a solid state being across the galaxy and able to also communicate with those around him >>>>> setting up a force connection

    Snoke just linked two people. He didn't force project them all the way across the galaxy.
     
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    >Genius
    >TLJ

    Pick one.

    Luke would never give up and choose to go die after failing. Imagine Obi Wan did the same after failing Anakin.

    Except Obi Wan never tried to kill Anakin. Luke would never attempt murder ( yes it is attempted murder
    he drew his lightsaber the equivalent of pointing a gun at someone )
    Just because he sensed the dark side. What a hypocrite he himself nearly succumbed to the dark side in ROTJ and only when he saw he was becoming Vader did he return to the light.

    Yoda and Luke seem surprisingly chill that the galaxy is being oppressed and a capital planet was destroyed. Oh and that the new order controls the galaxy already after only a few years since defeating the empire rendering the OT useless.

    Film ruined Star Wars
     
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    Yeah, everyone was seeing him, he was setting up a connection with thousands of first order and resistance troops as well. Pretty powerful if you ask me.
    --- Double Post Merged, Dec 19, 2017, Original Post Date: Dec 19, 2017 ---
    Didn't you hear what Luke said to Kylo, that if he (Luke) would die he would always be with him. By dying, Luke has not only martyred himself, becoming an inspiring figure for thousands. He has now also become an intricate part of Kylo and his spirit will probably haunt him in the next movie. If Han's death weakened Kylo, Luke death will destroy him. As he said to Leia: I cannot bring him back. Leia knows.
     
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    Yeah after Rey told him how much of an idiot he was. If she didn’t appear he would have died from salmonella or whatever disease he’s gotten from drinking raw green alien milk.

    He would not have inspired anyone, it was implied in TFA he was searching for a way to destroy
    The first order and Snoke.

    Because Snoke is so powerful and wise he can’t sense he was about to meet his end the exact same way the emperor did when he knows full well what happened.
     
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    Rey believed Kylo's story, Luke told a different one. She decided to leave. For now she believed Kylo. But was she right?

    Didn't you read that the Midichlorians kill off salmonella.
     
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    Luke then told the truth. He pulled a lightsaber on Kylo and while the moment passed its like I pull a gun on you and you see that gun what will you think? You would think I’m trying to kill you.

    It’s so out of character for Luke to consider killing his sleeping family when he hasn’t done anything.

    And then Rey says Kylo failed Luke. What has Kylo done at this point except be tempted?
     
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    Well, no, what he said was if Ben were to kill him in hate. Which didn’t really happen. But I guess it doesn't matter either way.
     
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    Kylo failed his master by being tempted. The point with Luke is, is that the idea "I could end it" crosses his mind but ends up believing he should not. It is another micro-example of how the conflict in Luke eventually results in him making the right decision. It is completely in-character.
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    It did and it didn't. What mattered was the emotion of Kylo striking. He did strike at Luke in anger. Luke died, but not because of Kylo. But he did die because of Kylo. He dies to haunt Kylo because he knows it will make him weaker even though he has now achieved supreme power.
     
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    Oh and if Yoda can use lightning and who knows what else why didn’t he just appear at the empero’rs sleeping quarters and zap him while he was sleeping?

    What are the limits to what force ghosts can do? They can potentially solve every problem if they can interact with the material world.
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    Kylo wasn’t the one who made him use a suicidal force ability. Luke did it out of his own free will.
     
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    Yes he died out of his free wil because of Kylo. Kylo didn't kill him, but Luke died because he knows that in death he could haunt Kylo and help save the galaxy from evil.

    Don't you agree its fun to discuss these things. :)
     
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    Luke was tempted too? Since when has he been a hypocrite Did he fail Yoda? Should Yoda have smites him when he was about to strike Vader in anger? Every Jedi is tempted the point is succeeding not resisting temptation.

    He would have failed him if he joined the dark side not being tempted.
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    He was content with dying of old age a few days ago so his sudden change of heart is worrying.

    I would personally rather discuss how great the film was and how much I enjoyed it. But I need to be honest It didn’t live up to mine and many others expectations.
     
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