THE REALITY OF MEETING YOUR HEROES- LUKE SKYWALKER AND THE GENIUS OF THE LAST JEDI

I'm a SW fan. I liked it and I know several other SW fans who likes it. Plural. Fans. Plus Disney are targeting new generations, even more fans. Who will grow up with ST and it'll be their OT.

Fans do like it.

 

There are fans of the Underworld film series too.

Of course there are people who like TLJ, but it's very divisive - there are just as many who don't like the film. It's not controversial to admit that it has received the most mixed response from audiences in the main Star Wars saga, even more so than the prequels. The ridiculous claim that the audience meter at Rotten Tomatoes was manipulated has been debunked by the official website. Even so, before the official website went out to say this, people actually believed it had been manipulated by bots. It's funny how some people only question sources that don't fit their own opinions?

The people who've rated TLJ at Rotten Tomatoes are not bots, neither are they trolls or "angry fanboys". They are regular audience members whom felt disappointed by the film.

And finally, this has nothing to do with the modern internet age. TFA and Rogue One was released during this social media era as well, but they didn't receive this sort of backlash from audiences.

 

Before I go on topic, I’m going to say every single point you made has been argued and dissuaded in the backlash thread. So go there, I argued them there with other people.

Rose and Finn haven’t been talked about much here.

I love the scene where they meet. They wouldn’t have met if Finn hadn’t decided to try to desert to find Rey. By chance and luck.

At first Rose is all starry eyed about him and he tries to talk her off, then she sees the bag and you can see the pedestal she put him on crumble. Poweful moment.

 

It was like Finn had something important to fight for, but its Rey. She can take care of herself.

In the film, he discovers purpose, something worth fighting for. A cause, the rebellion.

Rose was let down by him, then her perceptions of him raised up when he actually partly fulfilled the myth she had of him; as a resistance hero.

She was all starry eyed and fawning over him, in the sky with her thoughts, then getting to know the real human finn, she cultivated a grounding love for him.

A really sweet romance that can be developed well beyond its initial foundations in IX.

 

All three mentors also tell their "heroes" a lie.

Luke lies to Rey about the true events that happened at the temple. Snoke lies to Kylo about the bond. Finn lies to Rose about him leaving.

 

Forgot about Holdo. Each of the mentors also die, or almost die in the case of Finn. And the good ones die (or almost) in heroic sacrifices, while the bad one (Snook) is murdered so someone else doesn't have to die (Rey).

 

Exactly right, TLJ was Finn's defining moment where he made his decision of where is place is in all of this. He isn't running anymore.

 

Address this in other threads, I said that in my last post. Rt might be covering themselves to hide their security flaws. The botting is debatable info anyways, and I have admitted as much in other threads.

Rose and Finn’s arc I did find clumsy, but their dynamic still upholds the threads title.

 

Part of me is really wondering how much of this, morally gray area where the heroes are not always heroic or honest or pure, is what is causing many issues for many fans.
In the OT, it was made very clear by ROTJ that our good guys were good and our bad guys were bad.
Now, more and more, we are getting to see that there are shades of gray to this.

This is something Lucas obviously had in mind when he first made the films and the prequels but then for some reason went back on in ROTJ specifically and the SE but then in the PT made the morally gray area a thing again...idk. It gets confusing.

 

RT covering themselves to hide their security? Seriously, are you gonna say 9/11 was an inside job? That we never landed on the moon?

The ignorance of people who refuse to accept facts is astonishing. Why can't you accept that TLJ has received the most mixed response ever for a Star Wars film from audiences? It doesn't change the fact that you still liked the film personally, or that others enjoyed it - which I fully respect. Just accept facts. Is that too hard these days?

 

Thank you for personally attacking me. I never said there wasn’t a critical backlash but there was evidence of bots with the RT score. I’ve since decided and said on on topic threads I wasn’t sure about it being legit or not. Go there and talk about it

Personally attack me again, and I will block you.

 

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There was no evidence of bots, you shouldn't believe everything you read on the Internet. Go check your sources next time. And BTW, blocking everything that doesn't coincide with your own opinion seems to be the favorite thing to do these days!

And no, I didn't personally attack you. I simply said that I respect your opinion of the film but I won't respect you presenting me with non-facts.

 

Yeah, that’s all great but nobody cares. They wanted to see their heroes back in action. The general audience could care less about Po, Finn, Rose etc, they wanted to see more fun adventures with Han, Luke and Leia. Instead they got to got to their funerals in this depressing mess of a film and the decling box office is proof...Disney/Johnson dropped the ball with this film and it’s iconic original characters

 

And this is why fanboys suck. No willingness to accept anything new. No willingness for this saga to evolve. You wanted a trio of 60 and 70 year olds to pretend like they were 25 again? Get real. And if you think that less box office means a less-liked film, you can explain how bad The Empire Strikes Back was, because it made about $100 million less than A New Hope.

 

Which was amply established in TFA only to be undone and reestablished again in TLJ in an almost needless side plot.

 

Just my opinion, he only did't if for Rey in TFA. He was packing up and running from the FO (as he originally started out doing) until he couldn't find Rey. When he saw Kylo with her, he went for her... not for himself, not for the Resistance. For me, TLJ was where he made his decision for the bigger picture and cause. IMO.