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The Rian Johnson Thread

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Viral Hide, Sep 4, 2014.

  1. Rieekan

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    I'll just leave that here.
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    Lucasfilm and Rian definitely learned something:
     
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    Not every film is for everyone and IT'S FINE! It's fine. If all future SW films were like Rogue One or Solo I would lose my patience towards the franchise very quickly. Thanfully, there exists The Last Jedi, a film that feels like it was tailored-made to my taste. There are definitely people that have an opposite opinion and guess what - IT'S FINE! You don't have to like every single piece of Star Wars content. And you won't. But Lucasfilm recognizes that, so it tries to appeal to different members of fandom. And it seems like it is succeding at doing so, judging by the result of the poll on the favourite Disney-era SW film. Most of the time. :D
     
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    Not too stray too far off topic but I thought Blade Runner 2049 was awful.

    I am happy for Rian and Mark
     
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    Well, too bad for you.
     
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    It just wasn’t my thing. I had heard good things about it and I went into it wanting to enjoy it. It just seemed really slow to me and seemed to go on forever.
     
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    It's so good, my second favourite film of 2017 (behind TLJ, obviously).
     
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    The problem I have with Blade Runner 2049 is that it doesn't seem to me to make sense in light of the theme that it's working in. What I mean is that, in the original movie the idea is, if a counterfeit is indistinguishable from the genuine, then is there any difference? So the protagonist runs off with the replicant girl because, what's the difference? It's a question of counterfeit "being" and the story makes sense in light of that theme.

    But in the new movie, it's a question of "identity" and it doesn't make sense. When it's a question of being, counterfeit/genuine doesn't matter, but when it's a question of identity, then it does matter, but the story seems to be working under the theme of the original. Meaning, the new protagonist can't be sure of anything he's being told. No one can be sure. Every person he meets and gets answers from, the question of "How do you know these answers are genuine?" is automatically there underlying the answers. Nothing can be sure, because the counterfeit is indistinguishable from the genuine.

    When the woman says "I remember a girl" her memories are immediately suspect. Everything is suspect. When Deckard finds the girl in the hidden room, who is that? How does he know? How does anyone know? I thought the final scene could've been the girl asking "Are you my dad" (question of identity) and Deckard answering, "I'm not sure, counterfeit is indistinguishable from genuine in this setting. I don't know who you are, you can't even be sure of your own genuine identity. I don't know who K really is, neither does he. All memories are suspect, and all identities are suspect."

    It was like a detective story in which every clue or answer is complete suspect and can lead to no meaningful conclusions. In the end the writers had presented information leading to an outcome that is, understandable, but not at all certain.

    I liked everything else about the movie, but that underlying theme made the entire story meaningless to me.
     
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    Moving my comment to more appropriate thread.
     
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    The cast for Knives Out (which almost seems to have a mini Tarantino project feel to it right now with buzz around the script) looks amazing.

    https://m.imdb.com/title/tt8946378/

    There are now set photos out today;
    https://www.metrowestdailynews.com/...ig-films-scenes-for-knives-out-in-marlborough

    Based on the images it looks like it will be set in Massachusetts (Boston perhaps?) & that Craig and Keith will be partners. This also leads me to suspect that Craig will play an American detective since I can’t see Keith putting on an English accent and given the setting.

    Actors seemed excited by the script here in ways that remind me of smaller Tarantino projects so it will be interesting to see how this looks when the trailer is eventually out.
     
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    Not a fan of rian Johnson's the last Jedi.
    not saying I agree with everything in this link, but it is a good video of pointing out some big things that felt forced, or just plain wrong.

    this is part 1 out of 3 parts. I have only watched half of part 1 so I can't speak to all that he says, but I like his thoughts so far.
    overall just feels like rian did a lot wrong, or just neutral (ie not good not bad, just meh) but not a lot of good. the visual effects and sounds etc were great, but as a long time Star Wars fan I want more than just that. (ie his points on Luke, why not use Y-wings etc)
    give this a view
     
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    Quoting myself from page 1 of this thread. Seems I was bang on the money with RJ.... :sad:
     
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    Yes. He needs the massive resume of a George Lucas when he took on the franchise in 1977.
     
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    I think you’re missing the point- Lucas (and his writers) proved himself over the course of the OT. RJ has a track record to look at because frankly, with such a huge and devoted fan base, Disney can afford (and some may say they are even obliged) to be picky as to who they take on. RJ’s track record is less than stellar. *shrugs*
     
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    Rian Johnson hasn't made a poor film yet. Some are more acclaimed than others. His work in film/TV has been praised. The Last Jedi was a massive success at the box office, with critics, and with most fans. Disney was so happy with his work he was given a new trilogy. There was a significant bidding war for his next film Knives Out and the cast is amazing. Heck, even the music video he did for LCD Soundsystem was fantastic.

    It doesn't seem like Hollywood, actors, or audiences agree with your assessment. I don't either. Rian Johnson is an exciting talent and Lucasfilm is lucky to have him.

    Edgar Wright would be awesome as well. He has a cameo at the end of TLJ.
     
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    He Is a fantastic Director Love all of His Films including TLJ looking Forward to Knives Out I'm excited about his trilogy
     
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    I think you are missing the point.
    How is it less than stellar?
    You suggested Edgar Wright. Edgar Wright's career average on Metacritic is 75.
    Rian Johnson's is 74.
    On Rotten Tomatoes, Wright's high is 93, Johnson's 93.
    Wright's low is 71 and Johnson's is 68.

    Wright directed one more feature film prior to the launch of the ST than Johnson did.

    He directed a bunch of sitcom tv stuff in the 90s.

    The Russo Brothers directed 2 movies before getting The Winter Soldier and some TV shows and then were given the keys to the MCU.

    Your point of "track record" is basically arbitrary by your own standards unless you really count a decade of TV directing as a MAJOR factor here.
     
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    I'm not a fan of The Last Jedi, but I do like Johnsons other work. Looper was an excellent film. I own Brick and will watch it this weekend (finally, I have it on iTunes and am looking forward to finally seeing it). Having said that, I think saying his track record "is less than stellar" is a bit harsh. I mean, yeah, there are other film makers I think are great (and don't think he's in the "great category yet"), but he's still fairly young and his career has far more ahead than behind.

    Is he a Quentin Tarantino or the Cohen's? Of course not, but they have far more experience. So I'm not sure that is a fair comparison. Personally I'm interested in seeing a trailer for the new film, as it sounds interesting. I'm not concerned with the cast, as there are PLENTY of films that had a great cast and were crap. There are also films that had tons of unknowns and were fantastic (Apocolpyto springs to mind). What interests me in this film is that it appears to be more of a "Rian Johnson" type film. I'm not sure Star Wars is really the sort of film(s) he ought to be making. But I'm not going to sit here in March 2019 and say if he does another STar Wars film it will suck. Unlike others, I don't have a crystal ball and I can't tell the future (I'm not Mike Zeroh! :D)
     
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