THREAD FOR THOSE WHO HATED THE MOVIE

Well to be honest, how many pages could be cut off this thread because of members charging in here in their silver armor, white horse, a sword named "hater slayer" waving in the wind and hell bent on protecting The Last Jedi's virtue as if they were protecting a virgin maiden from the nasty dragon?

A lot of the discussion that gets dragged on in threads like these is that people who like TLJ just can't help themselves in coming in the thread and defending the movie. The truth is that most people will get it the hate out of their system and stop posting in these threads, but, what gets people coming back and arguing is when the defenders can't help themselves either. If defenders really wanted to see these threads die, they would stay out. The thread would die a lot faster than it is, if defenders would stop giving the haters someone to argue with.

 

I can agree with most of that.

The problem is when the "haters" rant with false information. Whether it's something in the movie that did not happen at all, projecting certain intentions onto people involved with the making of the film, or slandering. When that happens, you give those "white knights" some ground to stand on. Don't give them that.

Now I'm not making any implications about which forum users have been doing those^ things. Just take me literally for what I'm saying.

 

I hear ya, but, that still means those defenders are reading the thread right? Why read the thread unless you are looking to start an argument. TLJ's virtue will be fine, whether someone defends it from misinformation or not.

I am an avid Prequel Lover, I see a thread that says 'For those that hate the Prequels" I stay out. It's not meant for me, no matter what falsehoods might be said. Instead I will take on the Prequel bashing and hate when people bring it out into the open i.e. my post in the Throne Room Battle thread.

Edit: It's kind of like poking the hornets nest, than wondering why there's 116 (now 117) hornets all mad at you...

 

Eh. I think the whole "we don't agree so we shouldn't talk about it" thing is a load of crap.

But to each his own on that one.

 

Well, that's not what I was really referring too. I am more referring to people who seem surprised at threads like these, and how long they go on for. If people don't like these threads than they should just let them die. Not fuel the fire. You don't stop a fire by throwing more gas on it. You starve it.

I love a good argument, I love getting down and dirty. I wouldn't be against name calling and hair pulling and eye gouging... lol... but, again, the point I was making is that 117 pages of this isn't just haters hating. It's defenders defending and the ensuing arguments that result. If people want these threads to die, than let them, don't give people a reason to argue.

There's plenty of hate and misinformation outside of this thread that can be tackled.

 

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The Last Jedi was a huge let down and average at best to me completely pulling the previous film(s) out. If it wasn't for John Williams evoking nostalgia and saving scenes musically, the movie would probably drop another peg or two. I have to be very specific about my opinionated complaints so I don't offend anyone's sensibilities.

• Reylo is trash, but there will be enough deviants to carry it to fruition, but it is/would be a poor writing choice.
• Rey random is/would be a poor writing choice, even the composer is dumbfounded..and sleepy over it?

• Luke attacking his nephew without precedent established in the next movie or ancillary materials is flat wrong, and a poor writing choice.
• Altering the character of Hux was a poor writing choice. Snoke should have killed him, and then Canady becomes the new top dawg - could have worked.
• Luke tossing the saber over his shoulder in an immature fashion after TFA grand finale was akward, and a poor directorial/writing choice.
• Rose didn't bother me like it did for some, but she was unnecessary, and another character arc added to wrap up or mysteriously lose in IX which makes her a poor writing choice.
• Showing Luke milking space teets instead of showing any emotion for Han Solo was a poor directorial choice.
• Etc., etc.

RJ was an interesting choice for this movie and I was genuinely looking forward to what he might bring to the table. Boy, he sure fooled me and many others. WTF???? You got me Rian!!!

Spoiler: Trash Inside

At least he and the editor(s), had the sense to cut it...., but if he really had some mass between his legs he would have seen it through. Why stop?

The ST can still be wrapped appropriately average, but its going to make certain peoples heads explode over the death of the Reylo fanfic. It's truly shocking the amount of fan art that exists for that filth.

I cannot wait for the next Celebration panels Q&As, if only for the few zealots that might storm the stage at KK.



When George watches some of those extras on Blu.....

Spoiler: Happy Juice

 

I think that’s for the best.

Though I’m curious to what you would’ve written for Luke...oh wait I remember. Your idea was that the ST was all playing out in Vader’s head.

Well...it’s a take.

 

I'm not a professional writer, that's the big difference.

It's not only about Luke, it's the whole thing, I said it earlier, the director has no love for any of his character, that's the most disturbing for me, why would I love them as they are depicted as complete idiots during 2h30 ?

That's how I saw it.

Taste and coulours ...

 

I'll try to simplify what I'm saying, again.

You could break down most lovers of TLJ into two categories.

1. "I love TLJ! How dare you not like it! You're just a hater! Get over yourself!"
2. "I enjoyed TLJ, though I thought it did have some flaws." *shows genuine interest in others' opinions as long as they actually apply to the film*

I liked TLJ. I cannot stand people who fall into category 1. I put myself in category 2.

But even people from category 2 will defend the film when someone attacks it with false information. For example, right before I posted this, someone posted many complaints, one of which was Luke "attacking" his nephew. This never happened in the film. This person is so narrow-minded and blinded by their preconceived notions, that they rant with no actual ground to stand on in a discussion.

Again, I cannot stand people from category 1. I also cannot stand people like the "Luke attacked his nephew" guy.

I do think people from category 2 should be allowed in a thread that mainly pertains to people not liking the movie.

 

Well I never said anyone shouldn't be allowed to participate in this thread. Let me "simplify" it for you. The discussion came about when someone was astonished that the thread has gone 116 pages. I said it wasn't all haters doing it, that defenders were prolonging the life of this thread. That was simply it. That if defenders don't want to see these threads live as long as they do, stop defending. I never said they couldn't. but, it takes two to tango baby..

As for the Luke attacking his Nephew... it is in the movie. Not sure why your taking the poster to task? From Kylo's perspective Luke drew his Saber and was going to attack him, Luke in fact had the light-saber above his head and was about to strike.

Luke's perspective was different. We are never told which perspective is actually the right one, we are left to assume. Hence, I agree with that posters overall take on this issue, that it is poor writing as it never clearly tells us what actually happens in that moment. Are we to trust crazy, mean, flawed Hermit Luke who has abandoned everyone, who seems to be a little off the wall with how history has come to be, and has created a narrative around failure? Or do we trust evil Kylo?

It seems Rey trusted Kylo even for a moment, hence why she attacked Luke. Rey, after hearing Luke, never states which one she believes....

 

Let's just accept your suggestion that he treats them like idiots. What is your basis of comparison? Lucas' films? Are you suggesting those films are free from idiotic choices made by much loved characters?

I just don't get your perspective at all.

 

Sweet Jesus, you're in a thread about disliking the movie.....I'll rephrase for your delicate sensibilities and semantics.

Luke (standing in his nephew's room as he sleeps?, seeing evil in his head, contemplating killing him while igniting his lightsaber as a first and only viable recourse to the evil Ben solution, from a character well established on film and ancillary materials for 30+ years saving his family and friends again and again) without precedent established in the next movie or ancillary materials is flat wrong, and a poor writing choice

I cannot stand people like you either. Bye Felicia!

 

The best way to make an impact is to withhold your money. Even though I think Star Wars will always make money.

 

@HarryShoulders, you both state that Luke attacked his nephew, AND Luke only "contemplated" killing his nephew. It can't be both.

It is, in fact, the second.

Sincerely,

Felicia

 

No.

Logic. Common sense. Military tactics.

Sure we have a big misunderstanding in our views of this movie ... That's the least we can say.

 

Which is why I rephrased for semantics after you complained about people you don't know....

Lawdy, do I have to write out Luke's actions in detail each time for you or I can I say attack/abused/creeped on his nephew? How should I write it so you feel good? I want you to have a safe space here.

 

I have no need to feel "safe," so don't let that be of any concern.

But yes, I'll take you up on your offer to lay out the scene in detail, and show us exactly where Luke attacked his nephew. Knock yourself out.

 

@HarryShoulders

How is you saying "Luke attacked his nephew" any different from me saying "Luke started strip teasing next to Kylo's bed".
There's fact, then there's - non-fact. Neither happened in the movie so they're irrelevant to discussion.

Argue against the facts in a movie.

I hated this movie, nearly everyone on this thread hates this movie for illogical, and flat out wrong reasons.
YES - there are wrong reasons to hate a movie. I said that.

EDIT: and when people argue against a movie with non-factual arguments--people like me, who argue from a point of objectivity and fact, get lumped in with the likes of you. This make's proving the movies objective quality as poor a very hard task.

 

Since I already wrote it below, and in posts above.... anyhoo...I'm a big post skimmer too.

Henceforth, I'll call it "peeped and creeped with a light saber"

 

Please do.

In all honesty, that actually sounds worse than "attacked"...