TROS Tomatometer

There's really nothing that odd about the data we're seeing. The reviews aren't great and the real audience scores are some of the lowest in the saga. There's no reason to attack critics or the data. Why does it matter? If you like the film does it really matter what other people think?

Fandom needs to get over what other people think. It creates this weird alternate reality were people go to YouTube and built communities around a single film opinion.

 

Or even weirder where people obsess about a small community’s opinion about a single film.

 

There is also the "all audience" percentage (currently at 76%) which would include your vote. I suppose there is no system entirely perfect, and then there's the idea that no one really cares what anyone else thinks anyway, lol.

Box office numbers and review scores do not decide if I am a fan of something or not, but I still find it all fascinating for some reason. It's like following sports statistics. I guess you could say I am a fan of "the game."

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Where are the "real" audience scores that are the lowest in the saga?

 

Here are the Cinemascores for the last 8 films:

TPM: A-
AofC: A-
RofS: A-
TFA: A
RO: A
TLJ: A
Solo: A-
RoS: B+

This are controlled samples of people who saw the film. These are scientific because it's a real cross section of people who have seen it instead of an online poll that only measures people who wanted to vote. This is why online polling is super unreliable.

The ComScore/Postrak data which I linked above is only for the last few films and it's the lowest of the 5 Disney films.

 

Yeah, I know there’s the ‘all audience’ score, but then that not only includes my score, but also anyone trying to give non-genuine scores, in either direction. That’s what I mean about it being skewed by either approach.

I don’t care all that much, but I know what you mean about it being like sports stats. I really only care if it affects how the content makers or the general public feel about Star Wars... it can be interesting and fun up to a point, but I think some people give it too much weight and importance. Awards like the Oscars even more so. But I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with following it and taking interest, don’t get me wrong.

 

Cinemascore is a very small sample size taken on opening night and is not without its own criticisms.

Those percentages are just the demographics of the audience aren't they?

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I suppose that is the flaw in all surveys. People have biases in all directions. Also, how freely I hand out a five-star rating may be different that anther person so while everyone is trying to grade everything on the same scale, we are probably not.

Same here. I watch the awards shows because I just like all the pomp and circumstance. It's like the Superbowl of cinema. I'd love to be there in person one day, but I know it will never happen. I just like celebrating the art form. Doesn't mean I conform my opinions to the majority. To continue the sports analogy, I am a Miami Dolphins fan so definitely not one to just jump on the prevailing bandwagon.

 

They break down the demographics but they also do overall scores. The recommendation number is from the audience. The higher the number the better.

Hollywood pays for these services because they're correct. Cinemascore is only one tool, but when taken with the rest of the scientific polls there's a pattern that emerges.

It's quite possible that this film is going to be super popular with the people who want to go over and over. A B+ isn't it the end. It's just a measure showing that not everyone loved it.

 

I guess we are all prone to pick the cherries that support our opinion. From a certain point of view let’s say. In the end, it doesn’t really matter anyway. None of us have any control over how many people go see it or what anyone else thinks. My own anecdotal experience is that people love The Rise of Skywalker and audience reviews are higher. Critics like it less, but this isn’t a movie for them. The tomatometer is lower from critics and higher from audiences. Your mileage may vary.