What if the movie sucks/isnt very good ?

Very very true. Its a huge part of online culture anymore to just rant and mouth off about how below you a movie is and all the things wrong with it. People love talking about how nothing new could ever measure up to the original material etc. To me why even speak then? Regardless of how good the new movies are you wont like them because of several asinine reasons and I can't help but have similar responses to all of them.

Common crap you hear

1. "The sequel trilogy is/will just be rehash stuff."

You haven't seen the entire ST and if we are talking TFA I think you should fact check yourself about how similar it really is to ANH. There are tons of examples but one of the funniest one's was people saying Kylo is an exact copy/the same character as Darth Vader. Maybe re-watch the first movie and realize not only are they very different people but Vader is in 11 minutes of the first movie. It's funny to me the people bitching about this are prob the people still going to the fast and the furious movies.

2. "It can't be good because George Lucas isn't involved"



nuff said.


3. "All LFL/Disney cares about is getting a political message about women/diversity across"

First of all even if this was pasted in clear TEXT across the posters, if it bothers you perhaps you should just look in the mirror and realize you are either uncomfortable with yourself as a person, have possibly multiple prejudices against various races, sexes, and ideals or just don't like anything which again, is a personal issue. Maybe seek out some meds for that. What is the difference if the lead character is a male or female? If you read the ST as book and they never said if Rey was a woman or a man would you even know? So far what has she done that a male lead couldn't also have done ? Did they make her do "female" things? Why are you complaining then? Once again I think this is an issue you need to handle in the mirror.

4. "They aren't doing anything new, different or risky etc"

These same people after TFA came out said "It was a complete waste not to have Luke, Leia and Han together in a scene" .....So you want more of the same? How is that different or risky? Haven't you seen that for 3 other movies already? Doesn't it kind of sound like you want a rehash then?Ya know what is risky? Making the hero of your favorite movie series a missing myth and then putting him in 4 minutes of the movie after not seeing him for 32 years. Also non ST related, they made a movie about an event where the ENTIRE cast of heroes died....

Where are your movies at? Why aren't you a famous director? The "I am a genius film maker" attitude tons of people have online is a complete joke.

 

Over the weekend I heard some criticism about Rogue One, so I decided to reexamine the film again. The common criticism is that the characters are flat and the first half of the movie is boring.

And honestly, as much as I love Rogue One, I can understand that reasoning. It doesn't really affect my opinion of the film as a whole, though.

I'm not a huge fan of the first third of the movie, but from Eadu to the end it's great to see the Rebellion's early struggles. I get that not everyone is going to care that much about it, but I personally really enjoy it.

Same goes for the prequels- there are some really bad moments in them, and I'm not one who thinks that one's status as a "true fan" is dependent on whether or not they like all the films or not. That's stupid.

But finding the good where it's located, instead of just hopping on the hate bandwagon- that, I think, is the mark of a true fan. Thinking for oneself about a film goes a long way.



So, even if The Last Jedi isn't all that good (not saying that's even going to be the case) I think that Star Wars fans are going to at least find some good in it- and I'm always happy to see some new good Star Wars.

 

The problem with the prequels (that I hope the ST avoids) for me was after you spend almost 9 hours watching all three you cant help but feel at least a little like "Why did I need to be told this story?. Sure there are some insightful moments about life when the Jedi Order was around and seeing the more "royal" side of Star Wars etc. but the main story is Anakin's and I personally just came to the conclusion after they were all out that I liked day dreaming about how it might have been versus seeing that story and just feeling like it was nothing like I thought and left me with an awkward feeling about the whole thing. The main thing I want from the ST is feeling like it was a story we needed to be told. That's really to me what the OT had that the PT didn't. I don't care about what characters were goofy or not needed etc. It doesn't matter when the whole story feels not needed.

I also think its hilarious that some people act like the ST is all just one big cash grab and they don't care about the story. Do you not remember what it was like when the PT came out????? You couldn't take a sh*t without yoda being printed on your toilet paper.

 

Do you expect a stock market crysis or what? Life will go on as usual...

I highly doubt it would suck though. There is strict quality control over the new LFL movies. Just look at the production history of R1. They didn't spare time, money and hard work to do the best they thought they could.
Imo all the new Star Wars films will at least pull the Marvel (usually mediocre) quality.

 

I doubt it will suck or won't be good, look how TFA turned out

 

One other thing to consider- the bandwagon critics almost always hold all movies to the same standard.

Star Wars is a fun series. It can also be critically successful, but I don't think that's the main goal- I don't go to Star Wars expecting an arthouse feature that will make me question my own existence- I go expecting fun lightsaber duels, dogfights with X-Wings, witty quips between characters, all set to an awesome Williams or Williams-inspired score.

If there's some deeper meaning to the film, then great! But if not, as long as I had a good time then I'd still consider it a success.


I'm sure we all have films that we like that tend to get hated on. For instance, I didn't really mind Batman v Superman or Suicide Squad that much last year. I didn't love the movies, and I certainly saw their flaws, but I think they suffered from an extreme case of fanboy anger that the product didn't entirely live up to their expectations. Like, BvS wasn't all that good, but I also don't think it's a 27 on Rotten Tomatoes bad either (RT itself has a pretty flawed system for ratings, which I thinks only exacerbates the bandwagon hate or bandwagon love). DC has had a particularly hard time of it, and I imagine it'll be "cool" to criticize Star Wars soon, too.

But yeah- I'll watch TLJ and form my own opinion. I'll let other reviews guide my ideas on it later, but I'm not going to dislike the movie just because people on the internet said I should.

 

Then I'm out...I WAS on team rian Johnson, but I'm not anymore. I'm hopeful, I want a good movie the justifies some of the ridiculousness in TFA, but I won't be spoon fed nostalgia and defend it like religion. It's on them to put out good product, I'm not obligated to consume it.

Good luck mouse, fingers crossed...

 

If the movies isn't that good, I will look at the good parts of it..!

 

I agree as the problem with the internet and reviews in general today is everything is a hyperbole. Most people will say that either Episode 8 is the best SW movie to date, or they will say its the a POS movie. There is no middle ground anymore because everyone has to make a point and be heard on the internet. There is nothing wrong with saying that a movie is good and you liked it but didn't love it.

Now most of the posters here are pretty even keel (that's why I like it here), but I would get killed on other SW boards for saying I liked TFA. I didn't even say I loved it, I just said I enjoyed it but it isn't as good as ANH or ESB. They would come after me like a herd of Buffalo, "TFA is the biggest POS, you're idiot for liking it, JJ is a hack!"

 

I think The Last Jedi will be good, but I expect we won't get a lightsaber battle between Luke and Kylo Ren. We won't see Luke will use his green lightsaber. I also believe that we won't see a reunion between Luke and Leia. We may not even get a scene between Leia and Kylo (Ben). I would love to SEE a force ghost, (Yoda, Obi-Wan, and Anakin) but we most likely will HEAR them and not SEE them. If we do see a ghost, it will be Yoda only. If the story is captivating in The Last Jedi and the film is missing: a green lightsaber, force ghost, and family reunion; I may be disappointed that these things didn't show up in the film, but I won't reject the film outright.

 

Can I ask what changed?

 

Alrighty then...
I'm gonna use this more for the truth in it than coz of the quote of it...

Good or Bad is a point of view.

To me, for the past 9 (yes, The Clone Wars film included) films they've all been One thing...

Star Wars.

Same for the ones that yet to be.

It. Is. ALL. Star Wars.

I do not follow with what SW casual fans, SW hipsters, bandwagon haters or modern society has to say about a thing.

Star Wars is one of a very few things that escapes me from this "modern day world". Not a fan of modern day society in general, which is why I choose to live as I do (different tree in a different forest).

I do agree with the many that's posted up before me.

 

I guess I'm tired of the hype, how awesome Johnson is (what's he done, like, 4 movies?) and how TLJ is gonna be so great...don't get me wrong, I hope it is. I WANT it to be! I'm just not gonna buy in until I see the final product. I recently saw the end of TFA again, and I don't know what he can come up with to justify some of that stuff. I think there's a lot more interesting theories and stories on this forum than what TFA represents. And while I enjoy these exercises, I'm tired of doing the work for them. Non of this is canon. And then what is canon is ambiguous and fague and "it's time to complete your training" when it never gets done or "I'll show you the ways of the force" but "I'll never join you"....

I don't know, as much as I enjoy the forum, maybe I'm looking for some resolve...

I'll step down from my soap box now

Thanks for asking and reading, BTW

 

That's fair.

For what it's worth, I'm not necessarily counting on Johnson. I think he'll be fine, but I think that my faith instead lies with Disney, Kennedy, and Star Wars itself- I think that there are a lot of checks and balances that would prevent Johnson from royally screwing up.

At least, I certainly hope so.

 

Words of wisdom.

Hipsters...yes...

Hipsters everywhere.

And also the hardcore "always disappointed - raped my childhood" fans who, whatever rabbit you pull out of your hat will always complain that it's too similar to the OT.... or too different... or that it is not The Empire Strikes Back.

Hipsters back in 77 would have hated Star Wars.
Emo fans would have hated Empire Strikes Back.

 

I loved TFA so my hopes are generally high. I like the Rian Johnson films I have seen so that in general doesn't worry me.

The more unguided and disconnected from a unifying vision that they speak about the trilogy the more afraid I become.

I also hate the recent pics of Snoke. I honestly want to see Snoke dead and Kylo ascendant but the more press he gets the larger his presence gets. If Snoke is the true BBEG I find his design so far rather lame. In TFA it left enough to the imagination but seeing his true coloration he seems ill conceived. I hope I am wrong but I don't like the Snoke we have seen.

 

I will say this that Rian Johnson's style will be much different then any previous SW movie, and it will be interesting to see how the fans react to that. The biggest complaint from the fans that didn't like TFA was they said it was a knock off of ANH, and I worry those same people will be complaining about TLJ saying that it didn't feel Star Wars'y enough.

 

What NEEDS to happen in TLJ is for the characters to become interesting.
Rey is a nice girl. Finn is a nice guy. As is Poe. They're just 3 heroes from start to finish who do the right thing all the time.
Compare that with ANH. Luke was whinny-ass teenager who was ambitious and reckless. Han was a selfish, cynical, fly boy. Leia was feisty and a straight talker.
The 3 heroes from TFA were pretty bland. Johnson needs to bring out their dark side and he needs to inject some humanity (sex). And going by the sounds coming out of production, I'm hopeful he has done that.

 

I will tell you exactly what will happen if that were the case. Everything here in the Cantina will be just as it is now. Many fans will voice their concerns and say that they disliked certain elements from the movie and they will get constantly bashed by the bunch of diehard fans here that don't care for quality of storytelling, originality, plot ect cause as long as it's a SW movie they could care less if the movie was about a toilet with a Stormtrooper helmet.