What if the movie sucks/isnt very good ?

My turn to agree to disagree with manners or politely.
Yup, I remember '99... TPM release.
I saw it then as I still do now. The extreme high expectations were what folks got let down by.
The Story was... The Story.

High expectation seems to be harder to hold down for many the further along we go, what with so much stuff bein' instantly instant anymore.

 

I agree with you but, on defense of the prequels, the 90s and the early 00s were bad times for superhero or sci-fi movies. Most of them suffered from the rushed implemantation of CGI, which was a trend back then, poor directing, cliche one liners etc... It was Nolan with his Batman trilogy that made them go more serious and make more polished movies...

 

Yessir... was that... and more.

An' what got now is a whole new complicated version of that.

Not wantin' to know what it'll be next.

--- Double Post Merged, Aug 1, 2017, Original Post Date: Aug 1, 2017 ---

No need for a defense of PT wit me, I am an OG Prequilist

 

Thanks for your words FotisKaragian but I do remind you that for the moment, the Alien franchise is just as big as SW as both have 8 movies. You have the 4 Alien films plus 2 Alien vs Predator films, Prometheous and Alien Covenant. Terminator has 5 movies and a TV series so it's also pretty big.

Also I have to ask, I respect your way of seeing things but isn't someone saying "I didn't like TFA" almost the same as saying "TFA is a bad movie"? The reason why someone doesn't like it is because they considered the movie bad in one way or another as it all comes down to personal taste. I really like JJ Abrams Star Trek movies and I think they are really good movies yet die hard Trekkies find those movies to be incredibly bad and hate them with passion. When you think about it it's really not about me being right that they are good or they being wrong about finding them bad as it all comes down to personal taste.

I love the The Lord of the Rings/The Hobbit movies yet I know various Tolkien fans that love the books with passion and they consider the movies really bad. So who's right? The movie fans of the book fans? In my opinion I have to say that both as it all comes down to what we like and once we understand this we can learn to get along with others who don't see eye to eye with us.

 

@Merman = Dead On !
Not just for franchises... goes fer everything, really.
but just here-n-now, Star Wars fan community

 

I'm just gonna focus on this part of your post....for now.... kidding.

There is a huge difference between saying a movie is bad and saying you didn't care for a movie.
I didn't care for LA LA LAND. But it is by all accounts, a good movie. It has good acting, it looks breathtaking and it's well paced. The script is solid but unspectacular. It's just meh to me. But I can't in all honesty say it is a "bad" movie.

But at the same time I can say I adore the VAN HELSING movie with Hugh Jackman even though it's actually a steamer of a movie with bad acting, a shaky script and some poorly done CGI that removes a lot of the dramatic tension from every scene.

For a movie to be "bad" it would have to fail in many marks. Not just personal preference.
Acting, script, direction, SFX, composition, cinematography etc.

Not liking the Abrams Star Trek movies comes from a place of deep seeded love and passion. And Abrams took Star Trek to a place to modernize it and make it relevant again. Trekkies took offense to someone daring to change this and really never gave them a chance as just a different take on Star Trek. Which is why Star Trek still kind of flirts on the fringes of accepted pop culture while Star Wars revels in it and is worth a bajillion dollars.

There's nothing inherently bad in the Abrams Trek films. Other than they are different from Roddenberry.

 

Oh I don't know. I think the ST will do just fine and survive even if DP isn't even mentioned in the films. Some may not like it, but they will survive.

I would have to agree. Debating whether a movie is good or bad can be a difficult and endless one simply because being good or bad is a matter of personal taste and opinion. There are a lot of movies that have won Academy Awards that I didn't care for or like. The opposite is always true, there have been many I loved that won nothing and others didn't like it. The OT, PT, and now ST will be no different. Some will enjoy them not matter what, some will be critical of every little thing, some will enjoy them but recognize their weaknesses, some will find them hard to live of to their preconceived ideas. It will all come down to a matter of opinions.

 

...hmmm...

Ain't the Academy Awards just opinions in tuxedos and bow ties ?

All Great well made points, fellas (lady/ies, if applicable, so I ain't bein' disrespectful)...
and I'm sure thems not yet made still...
so if we put it all in a pot an' boil it down... seems to come out to ... we each all got some different some same opinions... bein' respectful of all an' not flamin' the hell outta or trollinin' someone(s) else(s) to be better than or be against.

That what I think I read ?

Coz if it is... that's when I been seein' here on these threads and posts for the Greater part, which is what makes this a Great Place.

 

I do believe so !

 

I'm still going to watch it 30 times and analyze it to death because of Luke "Freaking" Skywalker. It won't suck. I believe that.

 

You-n-me both, brother

You-n-me an' a Whooooole lotta our friends

 

Without Plagueis Star Wars will survive in a form of high class SF serries,but connection and good part of mythical status of Star Wars will be lost.One thing I know for sure,for the rest of our lives,and lives of authors of new trilogy,it will be debated and analysed their (eventual) pop up Snoke,in comparison to Lucas template,Plagueis.
Sometimes I think Lucas would be happy If story team, beleiving that by challenging Lucas genius in every field they can beat Plagueis to, so they ventured into Unknown, missing fact that whatever they do,the power of Star Wars at the end depends of richness and power of main villain as well as conection and legacy behind Dark side..Such misjudgment(pop up Snoke) practicaly assures Lucas own acheivements will stay unbeaten forever.

 

Well said Royle. It's like they say, one mans garbage is another mans treasure and I also loved Van Helsing alot even though many people disliked it. I sometimes wonder if there really are some movies that are considered ''bad'' by a great majority as I have seen some films that are real pieces of trash yet there are always some who love them.

 

Well, considering there are 8 feature Star Wars films so far, and couple cartoon series with DP only being mentioned once in any of them, I think it is safe to say Star Wars will make it if he isn't in the ST and long after. Some may not like because they feel their ideas are better than what is being put on the screen but I think it will still survive for years to come.

I still am not quite sure why GL always comes into this when referencing DP considering it has already been confirmed that DP wasn't in GL's treatments either. DP was a great character that helped the plot along and garnered his own EU novel but there is more to the GFFA and the Skywalker story than DP. There are new villains to be found and fought by our heros instead of circling back around to past ones. If I was one being paid by LFL to develop the story foward, I would want to build on what is established and come up with fresh, new heroes and villains to go with the legacy characters to help progress to story forward. Just my thoughts though. Each has their own.

 

In RJ I trust...

 

I agree with both you and Merman. There are tons of films that many people claim that they suck and I love them while there are others that people greatly love and I don't like them. Ever sinse I was a kid I have loved Howard the Duck and that movie was a flop big time!


Yet people all over went crazy when the Matrix came out and I was like meh.


Now there are a few abominations out there that are truly BAD so if you do like some of us and want to have a bad movie night for fun then check out these two messed up terrible good for nothing films!

I don't know what drugs was Bruce Campbell was using but they must have been REAL STRONG for him to make this movie about alien termites that came to steal all the wood from our planet!

Then there's this atrocity:

Want HORRIBLE acting? Check! Protagonists that are SO INCREDIBLY STUPID to the point of of making the worst decisions ever? Oh yeah! Want to see messed up plastic looking flying fish attack people! It's there! This movie has all that and more but I do warn you it's a little hardcore to the point of having a girl get pregnant by her boyfriend while he transforms into a fish monster during..........well you get the picture so just don't watch it with your family.

There are many movies that it's just an opinion if they are good or bad but there are truly one or two gems out there that shouldn't have seen the light of day!

 

I have noticed a trend, the more that is leaking about the movie, the less hype and more hate TLJ seems to be getting. I wonder if it has to do with the fact that Rian is taking Star Wars in a new direction, I mean Mark, Daisy, John and when Carrie was alive she as well, they all have been warning us for a while that this film was different.

if you guys want my honest opinion, I think The Last Jedi is going to be the movie that splits the fanbase into two distinct groups, One who wants the "old Star Wars" and one who likes where Rian is taking it.

 

Well we are close to agreeing, I will try more to fill the gap so that you can really see my point. All I say is that what makes a good movie is the directing, the acting, the costumes, the effects, the score and various other things. I've too watched JJ's Star Treks and they were really good movies. I don't have any in depth knowledge of Trek, just watched some episodes and movies here and there and can't even say that I like it, but I actually enjoyed Abrams' movies. They were good movies, even if they were not well perceived by their fanbase.

I can too understand part of the criticism TFA receives, I would have changed things too, but the movie had proper acting, good direction, top of the notch effects, great sound and a story that, agree or not with it, worked. Honestly, from what I've seen here and in other forums, comments etc is that most people didn't like that it looked like ANH, that Disney should have kept Lucas' story and things like that. Nothing to do with the artistic part of the movie, only storywise.

I have seen many movies that I found uninteresting and boring for my taste, but I could see that it was a good movie. Latest examples I can think of The Revenant and Arrival...

So, in my eyes, there is a distinction between a good movie and a movie that I like, because sometimes I may even like a bad movie, like The Expendables or Taken 2-3. If it is one and the same tor you, no worries.

 

Just to be fair, there were some elements in TFA that JJ and Kennedy kept from both Lucas and Arndt's scripts, what those were, we simply don't know. All we know is originally Luke Skywalker was supposed to be in it much more than he was in the final product but he had to be removed cause he took away from Rey