What if the movie sucks/isnt very good ?

Wow those are very sad words which I happen to know to be true as I have had debates many times before with die hard fans that are so full of themselves that they argue every single thing you say. When they say something is bad they just WANT everyone to accept it and woe is he/she who tries to say otherwise. They bash, troll, argue, curse and try to humiliate you every way they can yet when they think something is good, no matter how many people say otherwise, they do exactly the same thing as they try to humiliate those that don't like what they like. Only their points are valid and nobody else knows nothing as they are never wrong.

 

The movie can't suck! Even if some people don't like it, it won't be because it has bad writing, bad acting, or other bad techincal stuff, they will hate it because they want something else from Star Wars. But people will always be like that.

I want a more darker SW, someone wants it funnier, someone wants more space fighting, someone else wants more lightsabers etc...

There will be a tone of different opinions, but if the movie is good, it is good. Period. And TFA was a well made movie above all, even if some didn't like it...

 

Now see, them's the ones that you Let Be.

Ya know ? The one loud kid lookin' to everyone's attention in the room...
if ya (more like, We All) Ignore him...

He Goes Away.

Just don't give 'Em what they're lookin' for.

No, not always easy ta do...
so, like they said in "The Waterboy"...

You Can Do It !

(Yes, I write like I talk)

 

If you love Star Wars then the movie can't suck.

 

Do you mean to say that no matter how bad it can be, we just have to like it because it's SW? The Holiday Special is horrible and it sucks big time and it's still SW. Many fans would rather forget the two Ewok movies as well yet they are SW too. I am pumped that we are going to be getting SW movies maybe even after most of us die of old age but I do know that after episode forty something and anthology movie thirty whatever, there is bound to be a few sucky movies along the line and we are no less SW fans for admiting that.

 

I guess everyone has their own standard of what it means to like Star Wars, but I think that you can definitely be critical of something that you love.

I know that whatever the film turns out being, I'll really enjoy some parts of it- I even enjoy parts of Attack of the Clones and the Clone Wars movie.

That being said, it's because I love Star Wars that I want it to be as good as possible, and it's because I'm a fan that I'll be upset if the movie isn't great.

 

I sort of saw it a bit differently. Rey was a slightly temperamental girl who didn't want or think she needed help. She was dependent on her own survival and surprised anyone would care to save her. She also ran from her destiny and refused to let go of the past. Finn was a guy who struggled with doing the right thing and was reckless by lying to the Resistance about his job to save Rey. Poe was a hotshot and likely has an ego that might need to be taken down a peg.

 

Yes but that all felt very much to be on the surface. They all essentially did the right thing from start to end and were all kind and agreeable. Han, Luke and Leia in ANH had more going on - and there was more humanity in that film as a result. Luke as a horny teenager, eager to for action. Han was cocky, selfish space pirate who you couldn't be sure to trust. And both competed for the affections of Leia. We got none of that in TFA. Finn got friend zoned. The only character that added any real humanity to the picture was, dare I say it, Kylo Ren. The best scenes were the ones between him and Rey.

Johnson needs to ramp up the humanity. Put the characters in some dark places and cause greater conflict.

 

I get it. Yeah it's there, but needs to be developed. That's sort of an ongoing issue in movies nowadays I've noticed. If Rian is true to his word about putting his focus in the story and characters, we should see more of what was in TFA, but deeper.

I agree. Any scene with them were my personal favs.

 

No. But:

1. Do or do not...there is no try
You dont have to do anything

2. This isnt the 80ties anymore thank god. People dont smoke strange stuff and SW is financially independwnt franchise. So I dont think we need to worry about stuff like ewoks anymore...although i will admit mild troublation by porgs creatures...

I agree...criticism goes with love. But I was talking mire about acceptance. Of the things you might disagree with abut have no power over it.

 

Snoke not been D.P.&W. would be one of greatest faliures in history of cinemeatography, because it has been done despite longest and loudest warning of the public in history .Literaly millions of people around the world can not be so disseased and weakminded ,but represent reality,that Plagueis represents natural choice.. This is because this character has been designed for this purpose and introduced in Film already,in prequel trilogy by Lucas himself. Reality is thus Plagueis is perfect for main villain of sequel trilogy,,it means power,connection,legacy, and inability of filmmaker to see this would have serrious long term consequences on the perception of entire Star Wars franchise as a legacy of human culture.

Sincerely signed "me"

 

I really have to disagree with you on this. How can you say that the movies just HAVE to be good and that the fans have to be wrong? Of course the movie can be bad as we have seen this happen many times before with awesome movie sagas. Terminator 1 and 2 were awesome yet the movies started going down hill from there. Same goes for Alien. Both 1 and 2 are just mindblowing but look what happened after that. Predator? The same. Robocop? Same story. Evil Dead? Yup! Poltergeist? Same old story.

I admire that we are hardcore fans and that we love SW with all our hearts but it's just not a believable argument to say that it's impossible for a company to make a bad movie. Disney is an awesome company that has been know to give us truly great masterpieces but along that line we have gotten things like The Lone Ranger, Atlantis, The Black Cauldron, Mr Magoo, Newsies, Treasure Planet, The County Bears ect and all of them bombed at the box office.

That I want them to make a sucky SW movie? Of course not! But already we are just getting into our third new Disney SW movie and already they had to fire two directors because they wanted to turn a SW movie into a comedy! How long will it take for Disnet to lower it's guard a bad movie slips through?

 

I love SW and to me TFA sucked. So I'm not sure about the logic in your statement???

 

No logic in feelings

And tfa is the best sw movie by....far

 

In your opinion
To me, Caravan of Courage is a more worthy SW film (well, that's an exaggeration!)

I think we should leave this convo there, let's agree to disagree...

 

As you wish!

 

The way I see it, if the movie sucks or not it will still be a hit. See the prequel films. Not great movies but people still love them.

If it sucks, I will say it sucks. Will I still enjoy it... probably.

 

WoW!
Well... this all just got Rilly Deep and Rilly Wide...Rilly Fast.... as I 'spose things will.

@cawatrooper- you're right. Each of us has how we enjoy(?) Star Wars. Things, scenes, characters, individual films, etc...
We're all always gonna all agree (wouldn't it be nice though...) it's how we carry on when we all don't agree.
Just seen it few posts back... wish it was more often like that (just agreeing to disagree) than the kinda silliness that usually ensues.

 

What I mean is that of course there is a small chance that the movie will be bad, but I think that there are way too many people who care about SW and I don't really see that happening.

I don't blame the fans about anything but "TFA is a bad movie" and "I didn't like TFA" are two completely different things. I can't accept the first one, I totaly respect the latter.

As for the franchises that you mention, they are not the size of SW and imo they don't have the depth needed for multiple movies.