SPOILER What potential spoiler about TFA bothers you the most?

While not coincidences, I can think of two instances where Luke being an idiot progressed the plot.

Personally form e the most annoying potential spoiler is the Lightsaber in space bit, it reeks of psuedo-intellectual matrixey nonsense too me.

 

I dislike the rumor about Mark Hamill being a mess on the set and hard to work with and that most of his scenes got axed.
I can't imagine that this stuff is real, but I feel concerned about it.
The "one scene Luke" rumor is still bugging me.

 

JJ won't let Luke be seen that way, this one scene rumor is just that a rumor.

 

OK. I´m one of them, but first -
Luke´s lack of screen time was expectable. This movie is about Han Solo, because someone got extremely happy that Ford said YES one last time. Someone decided it will be Han´s movie and we can´t do nothing about it - Luke will be more in the next one. Ahh, and the theory that R2/Luke scene is from flashback/vision - I´m sorry, but I guess making a vision/whatever is not the same as putting on our TV so once done every second of it will be full of IMPORTANT STUFF, not this. I believe this is real time movie scene.
That also answered the Han dying scene - we know Ford will not return to play Ham Yoyo. He´s old and want to do some other things before return to Corellia.
Lightsaber falling from sky - don´t bother me because I don´t believe we see such thing
The use of superweapons - I think those weapons won´t be as super as Death Star. I admit I´d expect more creativity here, but generally I don´t care.
Now the OTHER I signed:
There are several things, not one. I fear fan service, I fear too much family - everyone is related, I fear mirroring, I fear buddy buddy movie, I fear continuity problems (Han´s evolution during OT, I love you/I know, happy ever after ending of Jedi vs everything is F----- Up in Force Awakens, I fear too much Force and too much lightsaber.....ultimately I fear to be dissapointed, as many of you.....

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Yet in the dak times Luke was actively helping while during the much more comfortable Cold War he´s retired....

 

Errr, try two droids with plans to destroy the deathstar, fall out the sky and ten minutes later land with darth vaders son

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Errr, try two droids with plans to destroy the deathstar, fall out the sky and ten minutes later land with darth vaders son

 

Err, that's not a coincidence. They went there specifically looking for Obi-Wan Kenobi, and Obi-wan was living specifically close to Luke to watch over him. There's nothing random about that.

Leia obviously knew where Obi-Wan was, and instructed R2 where to go along with giving him the Death Star plans. She told R2 what to do, gave him a message addressed to Obi-Wan, and then R2 went straight to the escape pod which landed in the right general vicinity. The droids didn't just fall out of the sky as you put it. There's no reason to think that they didn't have some control over where the escape pod went, and when R2 ran away from the Lars Himestead, he headed straight for Obi-Wan, which would also indicate that he knew where he was going.

You could make a case that it was a bit of a coincidence that the Jawas sold the droids to Luke, but that's not much of stretch since they were picked up in the area and the local Jawas would have done regular business with Owen.

But the current rumors about the Force Awakens would be on par with R2 and 3PO landing near Luke and Obi-Wan even though Leia had no idea that Obi-Wan was even on Tatooine.

 

You're joking right?

Even if they had control, they were stolen by Jawa's and still ended up with Luke, without knowing who he was.

Then Landing on dagobah, A PLANET, right next to Yoda's house. That's like you being into astromoy and meteor landing in your back garden

 

I voted that none of those bother me but thinking again, the thought that Han may die and we never see him and Luke together one last time would be disappointing.

 

Han is favorite so far to perish but I think Luke's fate will be decided around the second movie.

 

Yeah, i'll second not seeing the big 3 next to each other on the screen again, surely this has to happen

 

I still have a hard time believing any of the OT characters die in this movie. One, because it's the first time they've been together in a long time, and I can't see JJ killing of a major character just when he's got them back together; he isn't Joss Whedon. 2, everyone who speaks about this film, recently GG, states the joy they are having and how it's really about family and just the wonder of being on a Star Wars set. I want to believe JJ loves Star Wars too much to kill off a character just for dramatic elements or to shock the audience.

Plus, I would hope Disney would not allow Han to be killed off, especially if they do plan on making an anthology of a young Han/Boba Fett movie. Makes it hard to sell the movie and merchandise if everyone knows he dies. That was one of the problems with the PT, we all knew certain characters' fate. We knew Anakin wasn't going to die, and as awesome as Obi Wan was we knew he dies as an old man sacrificing himself.

 

Is there a star wars where someone doesnt die?

 

When ObiWan sacrificed himself, he hadn't been a fan favorite or established character for 30 years, same with QuiGon. So, to me, that's not really the same thing.

 

Didn't someone even die in the Christmas Special and the Ewoks films?

 

I already mentioned this one on my last post, so unless you think Jawas operating in the area around Owen's farm would have been unlikely to do business with him, I don't really have anything new to add.

This one is definitely a coincidence. I had forgotten about it, but it brings up an excellent point. Compare this to the most similar of the three rumored coincidences in the opening act of TFA. As big as a planet is, a galaxy is infinitely larger - and they have Rey just randomly running into Han Solo in the middle of space as soon as she leaves Jakku. With the Dagobah coincidence, Luke was at least looking for Yoda - and the plot is only contingent on this coincidence in so far as it avoids a lengthy trek for Luke across the planet's surface, since presumably either Yoda would have come to get him eventually or Ben's Ghost would have lead Luke to where he needed to be.

So here we have the three examples of coincidences you could think of across all three OT films. The first wasn't a coincidence at all. The second is a mild coincidence, and the third is a significant one, but not one upon which the plot depends. And yet you think of the OT having "a ton of coincidences".

This is precisely why the Force Awakens rumors concern me. The Dagobah coincidence is the single biggest coincidence in the entire OT, and according to the rumors about TFA there are three coincidences that are all drastically less probable than Luke landing near Yoda's house, that all take place in just the first act - and that rumored plot is completely dependent on two of the three (having the Millenium Falcon, now out of Han's possession, randomly parked near where Rey lives, with the ramp down and the engine running right at the moment she needs to escape Jakku is a huge stretch, but she and Finn could have escaped on another ship without altering the plot).

And yes I understand that there may very well be explanations for all of the rumored plot points, but this thread is about which rumors cause the greatest concern, and the rumors (especially as interpreted by MSW) paint a picture of a movie that is completely reliant on coincidences.

 

I think the one where Luke is some "crazy old man" who had been driven mad by the dark side of the Force while guarding a tomb really, really bugs me!!!

 

When I answered something minutes ago it crossed my mind that Rey knows Han. She knows the Falcon so maybe it´s not a coincidence that she meet him. Because I think it would be absurd if we have another I am your father moments in Star Wars movie...but of course, I could be wrong...

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I seriously doubt Ford will return for another one. He is old and for sure has some plans - maybe next Indy, maybe some other stuff, maybe hang around his family or his planes...but comming back for yet another Han Solo Movie? This is why I think he most definitely dies here..

 

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I always thought Yoda pulled Luke's X Wing down towards him. As far as TFA, it bothers me, but it seems the lightsaber will somehow connect everything. Maybe Han was waiting close by for Poe above Jakku.

 

Han dying...I don't want to be sad that close to Christmas.

 

I've made that argument myself in other threads. It makes a lot more sense if Rey knows who she is, that the Falcon is in her possession, and when she leaves Jakku she goes where she knows Han is. But that's not what the rumors say. MSW has been adamant that she does not know her lineage, that she and Finn steal the Falcon. and that they just bump into Han and Chewy.