SPOILER What potential spoiler about TFA bothers you the most?

Honestly it would be nice to see the big 3 together again but it would make me gain respect for JJ as a director if that never happened. It's projected to be the 2nd or 3rd biggest movie of all time and most people are expecting the 3 of them to share the screen. It would be incredibly ballsy of JJ not to give that to the fans, and while it may piss people off in the short term, it will be a good move in the long term. Movies can get very convoluted very easily, and shoehorning a scene with the 3 OT characters into the movie would be desperate and unrealistic based on what we are hearing about this movie. People want the picture perfect happy "yub nub" ending, and they've gotten it for 30 years, but now it's time for a realistic sequel. It's called Star WARS, and wars aren't pretty. If the big 3 are able to be on screen together in a way that doesn't seem contrived, I will be beyond ecstatic, but it won't bother me if they aren't.

 

Mate, I posted that in two seconds on a lunch break, so two coinsidences without even thinking. Han solo running in to his mate on the nearest planet on a two second search, there's another, off the top of my head.

Not only that, the one coincidence on top of the other makes the next a bigger coincidence.

 

Reading this whole thread still reminds me that we think we know a lot more than we did yet in hindsight we still know nothing. Also everyone saying "The Luke we know would never do that. Han and Leia have to be together forever!!" I understand where you're coming from and even feel the same way but this is 35 years later! A lot happens in that span of time people change, feelings change and times change for better or for worse. Roll with the hurricane.

 

Completely agree. Firstly, I'd like to cite a Reddit post (I will provide the link for those too lazy) that talked about why Luke would be in hiding in the first place. Imagine that the First Order got wind of the fact that Luke Skywalker killed not only Vader but the Emperor himself? He would be public enemy number one. Secondly, think about the stress that Leia would be under to bring together a new Republic? She may have been forced in to a marriage of convenience to stay her naysayers/strengthen her position.

Honestly it astonishes me about the lack of creative thinking on this board sometimes.

 

I'm not sure what scene you're referencing. Do you mean Han going to Bespin? I don't think they ever said that was the nearest planet - in fact Han specifically says it's "pretty far" away. And it doesn't really seem like a guy with years of galaxy wide smuggling experience finding one friend in a large sector of space would qualify as a coincidence - but then maybe that's not the scene you're talking about.

When I read your post saying the OT was filled with coincidences, I assumed you would have some reason for thinking that, and I genuinely wanted to know how you came to that conclusion. I didn't think you would then need a bunch of time to come up with some examples - and I certainly wasn't trying to rush you. Though it does seem to me that if there really were a ton of coincidences in the OT, it would be pretty easy to think of a few - at least for anyone familiar enough with the movies to be posting in this forum.

I'll give you the Dagobah example - I had forgotten that one. Your other examples realy aren't significant coincidences, if they are coincidences at all. Perhaps, given adequate time you could list more of them, I don't know, but it seems to me that any coincidences remotely close to the level of the ones that are readily apparent in the rumors about TFA wouldn't require a lot of thinking time to come up with.

I've seen the OT countless times, so I'd be surprised if you were able to come up with very many true coincidences, but I'm open to the idea that I might be wrong.

Regardless, I'm certain that if the rumors about how the opening act of TFA plays out are completely true, it's going to be a very disappointing film. That's why I'm really hoping the rumors are based as much on MSW's speculation as they are on actual leaks.

 

Someone's already been there. Not sure how much you need to be full of coincidences, as the ones on this thread opener would halt the story straight away if they didn't meet fruition

http://thecantina.starwars7news.com/index.php?threads/coincidences-in-star-wars.2591/

 

Luke having hardly any screen time bothers me the most, easily, hands down. To hype the original cast coming back up, all that talk of changing the script to give the original characters bigger parts, and Luke (MARK HAMILL, NOT FLASHBACK LUKE) shows up at the very end?

I HATE that. Y'all saying you have "mad respect" for Abrams if he does that....why? Who cares about if it's "ballsy" or not? Now's not the time for Abrams' to go on an ego trip and act like he's bigger than the characters. It will be idiotic to have the original cast back but never have them interact with each other in the film at all. My respect for Abrams would plummet big time if he does that. Plus you have those likely true rumors of Han dying.... which will only truly sting if we never see him interact with the original cast again at all. I will f*cking HATE that. I was fine with Han dying until I heard that he never interacts with the original cast all together again. F**k Abrams if that happens. All I can say. Plus that rumor of Han going out like a punk in his death....and with no proper send off or original cast reunion...it's got me mad as hell!

The lightsaber falling from space is dumb (and so is the crossguard lightsaber...but that doesn't make or break anything for me at least. It's just painfully obvious somebody looked at it and said "okay, what haven't we done with a light saber yet?" and then turned it into a sword. Yes, I know saber is another word for sword, but to me as a kid, a LIGHTSABER was its own unique and distinct thing. When we were kids and we'd lightsaber fight and people would tell us to stop sword fighting in the yard or on the car or whatever, we had a saying, and it was "it's not a sword, it's a lightsaber!", well, now it's a sword... but at least they're ALL not like this now)....I'd really rather they leave Luke's lightsaber from Empire alone. I want to see the original trilogy ships again and the original cast all together, but we don't need to rely on previous films for EVERYTHING, and Luke's lost lightsaber somehow returning/falling from space is pretty dumb at that.

That said.....the only one of these that will ruin anything for me is if Luke is barely in the film/no original cast interaction.

And I don't care if Luke is there as a flashback, or if his "absence" is a "major focal point" of the film, all this is is subterfuge to pacify weak minded fans and justify the jarring truth that Luke isn't in the film! Luke needs to have more than just a cameo at the end....I hope we get to see him a good bit throughout, and he needs to use his green lightsaber at least twice.

Don't give me "absent Luke", "evil Luke", "blind Luke", "robot Luke", etc, just give me friggin' Luke the way he was last time I saw him but with 30 years tacked on. Have him be the full blown Jedi Knight we were promised he'd become at the end of Return Of The Jedi. Heck, have Yoda show up as a ghost, even Obi-Wan, maybe...I'd be fine with all that. Fact is, I want to see the OT cast altogether again. Make episode 8 and 9 more about the new characters. Let us spend another day with the OT cast and characters here with introductions to the new major players in episode 7.

It's not that hard to figure out. I think everyone that watched and liked the original films is on the same page here. Don't f*ck it up, Abrams.

 

I agree with you with two things - first the lightsaber. All true. Also the medieval type. Same was with Maul's. They try to invent a different - "cool" - type. I agree that after thousands of years the lightsaber has to be perfect. Sometimes creators focus on things that don't need to be changed and forget the more important ones.
And the ghosts....Yoda, few unused frames of Ben with one or two wise lines.....but that means bringing back Anakin as well, perhaps the voice of QuiGon. I've no problem with that, but I assume lots of fans would feel....lets say embarassed...

 

I agree wholeheartedly, and I'll add one more rumor I'm not too fond of: the idea that the climatic battle of Kylo vs Rey and Finn is ended by a cliff suddenly falling. IF this is true, talk about lazy writing; "We didn't want the bad guy to kill the good guys, but the good guys aren't strong enough yet so we'll just have the bad guy fall off a cliff for now." Yeesh.

I was going to say something about Yoda guiding Luke to him because he (Yoda) was already in commune with Obi Wan and they are the ones that brought him to Dagobah in the first place, but:

@CHOLOBOT beat me to it .

 

The whole super-weapon thing seems a bit cliche to me. More specifically their names, and more specifically the "Catapult." Sheesh.

 

It's like the ending out of Alan Dean Foster's Splinter of the Mind's Eye comic. Luke is trapped under some rubble so he can't fight Vader (this is pre-TESB so he's not Luke's dad). Leia (this is pre-ROTJ so she's not his sister) with lightsaber duels Vader buts she's no match for him and is defeated. Luke is freed from the rubble. She tosses Luke the lightsaber.



Luke duels Vader impressively and slices off Vader's arm. Vader trips and falls over his own arm that got sliced off earlier and down he goes down a hole. lol

It's just anticlimactic compared to Luke being chased down by Vader and the TIEs while Han Solo in the Falcon picks them off and then Luke destroys the Death Star.

 

I also don't like the flashback thing. I don't think flashbacks have any place in Star Wars. It should remain a very linear type of storytelling...if anyone dared do that Nolan shuffled style storytelling, I would....take to the internet and write a bunch of nasty things and be really REALLY, mad, lol (we fans are a noisy but helpless bunch it seems, lol ). Seriously though, I would hate that. I already don't like the zoom-in cam quickshot at the falcon in the second trailer we got. Doesn't feel like Star Wars to me.

Shakey-cam, zoom-in/zoom-out effect, non linear/shuffled/flashback storytelling....these would all be horrendous "modern" filmmaking tropes to avoid, BIG time with Star Wars.

And lens flare pf course....God help us if there is lens flare.

 

That should tell you something right there, Splinter was one of the weakest EU stories. It's not ADF's fault, as it was written pre-ESB like you mentioned, but saying "this thing in TFA is okay because it was in Splinter" just makes me shudder with sadness...

I disagree; it's not the scope of the event, it's the trope itself I dislike. Plenty of movies have a variation on this; even the 2009 Star Trek featured "death by falling cliff." I'd rather have someone fly in and shoot at Kylo til he gives up and leaves than have "Cliff decides this is the perfect time to give out so as to conveniently save the heroes."

 

wow, the movies are far superior to this story. I always thought that Luke/Vader first duel was in Bespin.....

 

I don't want the super weapons. Maybe if they try to change it a bit so it doesn't feel like Death Star 3 and 4.

 

I agree, but even in the new canon they fight before ESB....it seems like the new canon is just making the same mistakes as the old.

 

I don't want to diminish the impact and the greatness of Empire Strikes back by any EU "canon". To me the fiirst duel will be always Bespin, I don' t care what some writer invent decades after the movies.

 

Yep no thermal exhaust ports.