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What's Kylo Ren Looking for in the Falcon?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by FN-3263827, Mar 21, 2016.

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    I love love love the part where Kylo is leaning over the pilot/copilot seats. What is he thinking about right there? He looks overcome with some kind of emotion.

    EDIT: And how cool is it that I can tell this from the back!
     
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    I think seeing it pisses me off even more :mad: SHOULDA BEEN IN THE MOVIE!!!


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    add this to the list of ways that distinguishes Ren's posture/behavior from Vader:
    can you ever imagine Vader slumping over that way?

    it's going to be all right! at least we get it and the fans will see it and it's canon for all purposes and intents.
    i agree they should have left it. but there are lots of things from the script that i wish they'd left.
    it's a testament to the character that he's as rich as he is given the amount of his scripted lines/moments that ended up on he cutting room floor.
     
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    Kylo in falcon.jpg

    Look at the way he is gripping both seats.

    Where are my tissues? :(
     
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    This is heartbreaking!
     
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    I guess he feels her incredible strength in the force.. and perhaps he can also feel her presence when he has entered the falcon.
    And he seems to be extremely fascinated by Rey because of her force abilities and the possibilities he can imagine.. Kylo and Rey getting over Snoke and bring order to the galaxy once more.
     
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    a great thread with some great Kylo Ren discussion going on in it. See I absolutely wanted Kylo to die the first couple of times I saw the film but iam beginning to see maybe there is some hope for him & the emotion you can feel come of him in that scene with the falcon is just amazing (this could be one reason for it to be cut if they make him a too likeable character then his killing his farther may not have the same impact on the audience well some of them anyway).

    But back to the falcon scene yes lots of emotions going on behind the mask & for me it now enhances the scene on the bridge with is farther but I can see from a pacing point of view why it would have been cut
     
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    i get anxiety just looking at his anxiety ~ hahaha.

    i wondered this too ~ whether he might be sensing her presence and even maybe resenting it: she's been on his father's ship, trotting around the galaxy with his father. he's irritated enough by that fact in the interrogation, and here's the dirty evidence of it ~ hahaha

    but i do think his state here is likely more about his father than anything else.

    for all my love of Han, i just can't hate his son. i wonder if he wasn't Han's son whether i would feel the same, and i have to say i probably would. it obviously changes the dynamic between them, but Ren would still be someone's child who Snoke perverted into this mess of a man.

    the fact that he's Han & Leia's child just ups the stakes/tragedy of it.

    i agree with you ~ it feels like they cut a lot of stuff that pushes the empathy for Kylo Ren (his argument with Rey about being "right", the creepy-ass way Snoke treats him, direct references to his compassion). i still feel like it all bleeds through (even without the novel to support it), but they certainly tried to emphasize the monster part of his behavior throughout TFA, only allowing very small glimpses into his fragility.

    a good dramatic reason for that would be to land all the heat of it on that bridge scene ~ that breakdown seems to practically come out of nowhere and i think it's more effective because of that.
     
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    Yeah guess you're right about that.. the foreshadowing horror of the confrontation with Han that overwhelmed him in the cockpit..

    (I just wonder how all of this drama will end for Kylo... one guess "in the blue..": Luke as "the father of force", Rey as"daughter of the light side", Kylo as "son of the dark side" in a more spiritual way... all of them as Guardians of all aspects of the Force all together on Ach-Too at the end of EPIX?:))
     
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    We'll recruit you for Team Save Ben yet! ;)

    In my eyes, pacing is an issue for TFA. Nothing major, but just 10-15 more minutes would have helped a lot. For instance, the alleged scene with Leia and ambassador to the Republic Korr Sella would have helped explain what is going on politically. But the pace was so relentless we didn't have time for it, or for scenes like this one in the Falcon. I think this really would have helped the bridge scene, so the audience can feel the heartbreak not just from Han's side but from Kylo's too. Of course, maybe it was the intention of TPTB to make the audience hate Kylo at this point in the series, so that they can turn the viewers 180 in the next two films... ;)
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    @FN-3263827, @oldbert, the weird thing is, Kylo never seems to resent Rey IMO. To me he seems to treat her pretty nicely compared to how he treats everyone else (which isn't saying much, I know :p ).
    • He seems baffled rather than angry about why she wants to kill him when he abducts her (it's hard to believe anyone could really be that self-absorbed, but there it is)
    • He just seems kind of pitying when he reads her emotions about Han as father-figure
    • He doesn't seem jealous that Snoke wants her too
    • When she tries to shoot him again he just Force-throws her instead of killing her (such a nice, gentle boy :p )
    • Even when she gets the lightsaber instead of him, he's all:

    shock and awe.jpg

    instead of going into one of his rages.

    There are lots of reasons this could be: He remembers her, or he has compassion for her, or he wants her for his own student, or he admires her Force power, or he's got it baaaaaaad for her...or any combination of the above.

    Now, this could all change since Rey has hacked up his face a bit and ruined his shiny red lightsaber (I have to say, even then he seemed more stunned than angry). But I don't think anything up to the point of losing the duel to her made Kylo resent her.
     
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    i actually think the one thing that does miff him in dealing with Rey is the affection between her and his father.
    look at his face in that scene: he's so smug about "he'd have disappointed you".
    i mean God forbid his father give anyone anything like affection in his place.
    and i feel like that's echoed in the "Han Solo can't save you now" moment.

    i mean, both of those statements are self-reflexive. Han Solo disappointed him. Han Solo can't save him now.

    doesn't mean he hates Rey for those things, but i do think he resents the things themselves and she's provoked that.

    and yeah, doesn't change a darn thing about how he ultimately feels about her, though. that picture you posted basically says it all. hahaha
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    that's lovely! i like that for an ending. where do we sign up? hahaha
     
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    comparison shots of Han Solo and Kylo Ren looking at the cockpit of the Millenium Falcon for the first time in who knows how long:

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    • Han drapes his hands over the seat rests / Ren grabs them
    • Han has his head up--he's happy and proud / Ren...not so much
    • The angle of Han's shot is straight on, symmetrical / Ren's...not so much
    • Han's shot looks out into the darkness of the freighter / Ren's...bright ass Light of day (gotta love this especially)
    just thought this was a fun contrast between father and son.
    is it deliberate? who knows. but it's always fun to make mountains out of molehills.
     
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    I feel it again...the call to the Light...

    The camera angle on the Ren pic is telling too, I think. Decidedly unbalanced.
     
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    more like 'gently, with sadness hugs them while remembering how as a child he would hug the same way his parents who used to fly this spaceship'
     
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    well that just ruined my state of mind for the evening ~ hahaha
     
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    Great catch @FN-3263827!

    Well now I'm even angrier that this scene didn't make it into the film! I was super pissed before, but now I'm on a war-path.

    I can forgive absolutely any other small problem that the otherwise excellent film, no big deal, but I'm decidedly NOT going to forget and forgive whichever moof-milker decided to cut this tiny one minute from the film!

    The emotion and the meaning of this scene is so important and I can see it even just from these excerpts in the teaser...

    I don't know about apologizing for Leia and Chewie passing each other at the end debacle, but JJ should go out and apologize for deleting this. For the time being I'm grinding my ax against the two lady editors whatstheirnames. They did this mischief I bet. I also blame JJ. (crossguard)

    [​IMG]

    And, also, Adam Driver is terrific. With all the new HD gifs going around the past 2 days I'm even more astounded how nuanced and loaded each second of his performance is...Tour de force!
     
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    i believe he had not seen his son in 20 years just before he dies he realizes he is looking a face of a grown man his son
     
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    i haven't been this impressed with a performance since Heath Ledger's turn in The Dark Knight ~ and Driver definitely had so much less to work with. and even all the more amazing when you see him in other stuff and he's just a completely different person.

    i wish they had kept this scene ~ and wish they had integrated the cuts back in just to see them in context. still, i'm just glad we get to see them at all. much as love Nolan (and i really really do), he's stingy with bloopers and cutscenes. with this, i'll take what i can get!

    could be! i'm anxious to find out just exactly how long it had been. obviously Han knew what he looked like in the mask (he recognized him on sight on Takodana), but who knows when the last time he saw him as Ben.
     
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    I found even more gifs that are part of Kylo on the Falcon scene...(unfortunately of very poor quality)...
    I'm absolutely depressed now...

    Look at him. He is absolutely falling apart...Even with the mask and without the sound you can feel his absolute anguish just with the shoulders slumping and the head nod in the 3rd gif...

    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]

    There apparently is a deliberate symmetry (which @ FN-3263827 already pointed out) with how Han enters the cockpit and holds the seats and his very different emotions...(although there is a smidge of sadness in Han as well...)

    [​IMG]

    DAMN IT, THE SCENE SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE MOVIE!
     
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    wow...he looks like he's about to pass out in that third gif.
    it looks played way worse than the simple way it's described with him sitting in the pilot's seat.

    i just...i don't know if i can even deal with this today.

    it's awful.
     
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