What's Kylo Ren Looking for in the Falcon?

The time line does support it that is why they do not recognize each other she is 5 when she is dropped of onto Jakku that is how you know the time line checks out you see the illusion of what we thought happened there ... the truth is going to show Ben was trying to save someone. he was only 15 when he left Luke and went with Snoke ... you see the scene and you know she is 5 when she is dropped off . Han I think says a young boy an apprentice he was not 23 .. this is going to be a fact. and you are right a 15 could not plan all of that by himself. We do not know for sure if other students were Killed in the movie and the book only says destroyed. and we do not know how may other students there were --- it is possible it was only 2. or it could have been 7 . we dont know. So if she was dropped off when she was 5 and there is 10 years difference in their age. then that is how we know Ben is only 15. he trained with Luke for about 6 years and he has trained with Snoke for about 15 years. suspect snoke got to him as early as 6 and at 9 Leia. sent him away from his dad and her. The timeline of the temple burning i am positive about he was 15. You track that by her age she was dropped off at 5 . Go back to the book and that is a 15 year old Ben talking to a 5 year old rey in the snowy woods that is when its going down.

 

Here is the link of the original source of the deleted scenes photos (EW)
http://www.ew.com/gallery/star-wars...s?xid=entertainment-weekly_socialflow_twitter

Also a link to the Starwars Post post about the deleted scenes.
http://www.starwarspost.com/ew-releases-deleted-scene-images-star-wars-force-awakens/

I must say I agree with the person who wrote the post (Max Palas). It was a mistake that that scene was cut.

I was thinking, we haven't discussed what Kylo is feeling and thinking about knowing that his mother and father are sort of conspiring against him. While they are targeting the FO, by association they are also putting him in danger also...
So Leia and Han's plan to blow up the Starkiller Base while knowing their son is on it is a realisation that I'm sure would not be an easy thing for anyone...Kylo finding his father's ship on SKB must also have had a little bit of a feeling of betrayal...
Now imagine if Han had put the explosives and left?

As to the question if Kylo knew who Rey was...I think it is implied that there is something...First his overreaction to the news that the droid on Jakku was helped by a girl...Then both in the film and the novelization (even more explicit) we are shown that Kylo drastically changes his attitude towards Rey. On Takodana his voice is comparatively menacing, he is intrigued but cold, but during the interrogation there is gentleness...(And I don't think is is doing it to get the information). On Takodana when he decides to take her (and carries her bridal style) he first senses something. In the novelization it says he murmurs to himself "Something, something..."Then during the interrogation he tries to show himself in the best light possible. Is more interested in who she is, her dreams and is for a while even sidetracked from his mission...Who knows how long he has stared at her while she was unconscious (for the record I don't find that creepy) and now that we know there is a chance he is not piloting his limo shuttle...Boy, did he kneel and watch this girl for a long time...

Now, his gentleness and interest in Rey may have developed and could just indicate that he has begun to like her and may not necessarily mean he remembers her...
But then again, in the novelization when he says "It is you" Rey is said to be surprised that he once again knows more about her than she does herself...which to me sounds as if he knows something...(Rey so far I think doesn't remember him at all. She just recognizes him from the forceback, which I think is meant by the reference to "nightmare" in the novelization...
While Pablo Hidalgo has said on Tweeter that "It is you" is his realisation that she is the awakening, I think Pablo is probably not entirely forthcoming (as otherwise he would be revealing a big spoiler). While that is not a lie (she is indeed the awakening Kylo has felt in the Force) it can simultaneously also mean that she is someone who he knows from before and their paths are crossed again...
On the other hand, the boy from the vision that is cut out could mean many things...It could mean that the boy in the vision is Ben/Kylo and showing that he is being caught in the storm (Snoke's words) of the destiny of his grandfather, or it could mean that they have met and their destinies are entwined...I'm also very intrigued by the fact that when Rey sees the boy she starts going towards him. She is pulled towards him. In the movie we only see her going towards something and then everything tumbles down. Immediately after that Kylo with the Knights of Ren appears in her vision...
At the same time, some of the vision is also about the lightsaber itself, since we suspect that Kylo had the lightsaber for a while and he certainly thinks it is his, his appearance in Rey's vision is also a valid explanation becuase of his connection with the saber...
There are many layers...
One thing's for sure. The dominant presence of Kylo in Rey's vision is significant...and that their destinies are entwined is also something clearly set up.

Also, we really still don't know what the timeline is! I still don't think (or rather I'm not satisfied with) the speculation the attack of the temple was only 6 years ago...
Also that speculation is only based on somebody (not the author) of Bloodlines many months ago saying that in Bloodlines there are cute Han and Leia moments...and from that statement everyone made the conclusion about Kylo, which I think is premature...Also Pablo said that the attack of Luke's "academy" and the Knights of Ren in the rain are two separate events. He also has alluded (without specifying) that Rey was left on Jakku some time before the events at Luke's "academy"...and as I remember even questioned the speculation that they are related events.
The speculation about the 6 years before TFA are really based on a person who may not even know what he is talking about (as far as I remember the tweet about the cute Han and Leia's moments was even before TFA came out!) and is really not really about Kylo at all. People based their conjunction that if Han and Leia are supposedly together (which we really don't know for sure! Cute moments could be flashbacks...) 6 y before TFA then it must mean that Kylo has not left yet...
We have to wait and see when the book comes out. I don't think the book will tackle why and how Kylo joined Snoke, but it will certainly (I hope) give us at least some hint of a timeline...

And those hi-def gifs of Kylo...O, my. Too beautiful...

 

Sorry that I'm adding salt to our collective wounds...But, it is a fact that we know Han went away and started again smuggling (not very successful too) and that Leia was busy with politics and that Luke just took his robes and left for who knows where...The fact that they gave up on/abandoned(?) Ben is a fact...
What happened? Why didn't they try to find him?

Basically he and Rey were both abandoned by their "families" and alone in their solitude...At least that's how they think things are....
And the fact is that Han went to SKB to help the Resistance destroy SKB (before it destroyed D'Qar), him talking to Kylo was sort of a secondary concern if we think about it...(Leia said "If you see our son") And it almost didn't happen...
So I think Kylo went to the Falcon thinking about many many things and his feelings must have been very complicated...I imagine it could be, in the lines, OK, my father is here, I feel very conflicted about that...

I think the "nightmare" line was indeed referring to the forceback...(Almost 90% positive about that. I have just finished reading the hardback copy of the novel...(I had listened to the audio version and read bits and pieces from the electronic one, but I had apparently missed some parts before.)

I don't know about that. I haven't seen her say anything of the sort. What she said was that she watched TFA almost completely unspoiled and that she knew only about Han and Leia and Kylo (whatever that means)...She hasn't said anything about the timeline of the events... I think people just made conjectures based on that other guy (who is not affiliated with writing the book and or with the story group and if I remember correctly was a journalist of some sort) that said that the book will have "cute Han and Leia moments". From that many people just started building their (as yet unconfirmed conjecture) of a timeline...
Hidalgo said that it is more recent than 14-15 years. He hasn't said more recent than a decade...(At least from what I have seen from his tweets...unless there are other tweets that I missed...)

 

This is a fantastic point, @Obi-Wan Solo. It puts a whole new spin on what Kylo is looking for (longing for?) in the Falcon... and also what he must have been feeling when he walked silently past Han and out onto the catwalk.

I bet there was a really big lump in his throat when his dad called, "Ben!"

 

I am still cutting Han and Leia some slack, because there's a difference between feeling helpless to reach someone and writing him off. I really don't believe Han wrote Ben off. I think "There's too much Vader in him" are the words of a man who's come to the end of his own strength and effort, sees no other way to help his son ("If Luke couldn't reach him, how could I?"), and has built a wall of defense and self-justification around his heart to ward off the pain of powerlessness.

I don't know what to say about Luke. We still don't know why he had to go and find the first Jedi temple or whatever, but I'm reserving judgment until I find out the facts about this. Did the Force (in its unique TFA way) communicate to him somehow that his place was to stand back while Rey's destiny with Kylo unfolds? Hmmm...

 

I also don't want to put too much blame on Han, Leia and Luke, but it is a fact that Leia admitted she made a mistake how she dealt with the situation with Snoke influencing Kylo, she also admitted keeping Han in the dark about it, and Han also said that Luke felt responsible. I also agree that Han feels powerless and that's why he left. But still...
The recent retold parts from the documentary also suggested that Kylo felt he was abandoned...

I need to see the documentary, but this excerpts are I think telling...
This doesn't necessarily put the blame on them. In the end, how would have they known how to act...? But at the same time, I think we should not put everybody on a pedestal. They are human. They make mistakes. I think that's the whole point.

I'm with you, I'm blaming Snoke too.

I feel so much compassion for poor Ben Solo. We have to save that kid, damn it.

 

The whole thing is really frustrating. Why can't you OT people just have a happy ending already, dangnabbit?



These poor folks had no idea they were giving birth to the galaxy's most powerful loose cannon.

Snoke, you are totally getting it in these movies. If you don't, I'll take care of it myself.

 

Hi everyone!
My first post ever on this board. SW fan for ages, TFA brought me back "home" for real.

As my name suggest I am quite confused on the timeline concerning Rey s being left on Jakku in relation to other events that happened before TFA starts.

As far I know the new synopsis of Bloodline was released this week containing the bit on "more than two decades of peace in the galaxy after the fall of Empire"

http://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2016/03/new-synopsis-claudia-grays-star-wars-bloodline.html

Having in mind that Pablo Hidalgo tweeted about characters age in TFA (Rey around 19, Kylo around 30), I would assume that Rey was dropped at Jakku during the period when all was relatively fine and stable, which led me to believe that this was totally unrelated to the events in the Academy.

 

Welcome to the Cantina!
I have been a SW fan since I remember too...TFA also brought me back to SW! I never imagined I will be posting on Internet boards, but here I am...
Again. Welcome!

Yes! Fully and utterly agree! Han's sacrifice and the fact that my reading of that scene on the bridge was indeed of sacrifice even before I heard Ford say that he wanted the character to have "gravitas" and that he wanted Han to sacrifice himself...This is significant. He really did something that will manage to turn things around. He atoned for whatever failings he may have had. I think what happened at the bridge will be the most important thing that will save Ben. I believe.

I have not been so involved with fictional characters since childhood. That's why I think the TFA brought me back to childhood emotions in the most positive way...I care too much about what happens and they better give me a positive end for Ben Solo or I'm going to start a riot!

 

Thanks

 

Hi, @Darth_Confused! Welcome to the Cantina.

 

Han used the term boy young student could be snoke hid him between 15 and 23 . and could be Han and Leias finally fell apart a t about 6 or 7 years prior but here age at 5 has to be when the academy was destroyed that is why she is being dropped on Jakku that timeline fits also the fact they cannot recognize one another would fit

 

I agree. And I know that Pablo has suggested otherwise. However...
In that Twitter conversation the guy asking him was talking both about the Jedi destruction and the Clan massacre. I think Pablo might have been referring to the caln massacre when he spoke about the 6-7 years prior to TFA scene.

The thing is, Solo refers to Kylo as a boy when he betrayed Luke. I just don't buy the idea that Kylo was in his mid twenties when this happened - he wouldn't be a boy. ANd the way Solo looks upon him in TFA is like he is seeing him for the first time as a man. If he last saw him in his twenties, only 6 years prior, then he wouldn't look that different.

For me, the Jedi destruction has to tie in with Rey being left on Jakku for some reason. Whether that be because she is a Skywalker or because she was a student that was hidden or because her parents had some link to Luke - I don't know. But I just feel that the big events of Rey and Kylo's lives have to link together. And for the sake of exposition, it would be far better to tie all this in together.