What's Kylo Ren Looking for in the Falcon?

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--- Double Post Merged, Mar 22, 2016, Original Post Date: Mar 22, 2016 ---

glad this scene was cut. Although cool, I would wonder why Ren didn't just blow the Falcon up.

 

OT: Great thread Finn! you know how I love this scene.


Like many others scenes from TFA this scene resembles a scene from ANH






Quoting wookiepedia

"I sense something, a presence I've not felt since…" Darth Vader

Ok, now you could argue that it is one thing to sense another force user but Han was not force sensitive. Here is what wookiepedia tells us about sensing non force sensitives:

"The ability to heighten the senses with the Force was usually one of the first things taught to a Jedi when they begin their training. A Jedi student would learn how the Force binds all living things together"

I guess this includes non force sensitive persons, too. Wookiepedia gets more specific later on:

"Every Forceuser, Jedi or Sith, was potentially able to use this ability. The range of telepathy itself is theoretically infinite, but the telepath must be able to sense the presences of those they wish to contact. Thus, communicating with non-Force-sensitives became nearly impossible over distances greater than a handful of kilometers"

I think Kylo saw the future when he was settling down in the pilot' s seat:

Quoting wookiepedia

"Force sense was among the most basic of Forceabilities. It could be used to feel another being's feelings, the future, ripples in the Force caused by momentous or traumatic events"

"Farsight (also called far sight or farseeing) was the ability to gain vague impressions of events happening in other places or times using the Force. These visions focused on strong imagery and emotions. The future is always in motion, however, and is thus subject to change"

 

The amount of detail that some stuff in the book is described in is unbelievable when compared to how vague or simply non existent it is in the film. I've brought this up before elsewhere but the second most annoying thing to me after Kylo's cut out scenes/lines was Leia's cut out parts. The part where she sends Korr Sella to Hosnian Prime and when she feels the planet being destroyed. WTF! Why even have Korr Sella in the film at all?! Also, many people think that Finn hears the voices of the people on Hosnian Prime before it is destroyed but after watching this scene over and over you can tell it's the people in the surrounding area seeing the blast in the sky like Finn is. The commotion near Finn stops when it cuts to the shot in space and then when it goes to the shot actually on Hosnian Prime the screams haven't even swelled to that level yet. Not only is this editing confusing but THIS PART WASN'T IN THE BOOK! I can't remember ever seeing something fluctuate between film and novel so much EXCEPT if the book was written and then years later was made into a movie.

This bothers me because I keep thinking "how much of what the characters did in the novel that wasn't in the film actually matters??". Is the Falcon scene just trash? More importantly what about the lines that make all the difference relating to Rey. For example.....Kylo to Rey : "It is you" after she calls the saber. You have got to be kidding me!

 

I think he is searching for his destiny. Or at least, the Force is still trying to call him to it...

My view is that Ben Solo misinterpreted his destiny. I think he likely had a vision like Rey but went in the opposite direction - to the Dark Side.
For him, the vision similar to that which caused so much pain and fear in Rey, made him believe it was his destiny to follow Vader's footsteps. That only then would he find his place in the galaxy. Snoke might be largely to blame for this, but Kylo truly believes it. Rey, after her vision, finds her destiny as a Jedi. Kylo sees his as an "Sith".

But really Ben Solo could've been the hero. His true destiny, his happiness, could've been found if he had become a Jedi and become as great as his parents. I think the scene in the Falcon reflects this. The Force is calling him. It's his father's ship. The father he does love and if he embraced that love rather than shunning it, he would find his bliss.

But alas, he doesn't comprehend this. He is now brainwashed into believing his destiny is on a different path. That he simply must become as strong as Darth Vader and rule the galaxy.

 

I have to disagree - Kylo didn't "bait" his father to come out on the bridge.

In fact something very curious that seems few people have noticed happened. Kylo sensed where his father was and if you remember he was with a group of stormtroopers and he sent them to go up and he instead goes the other way. (In the book this is even clearer). He deliberately misdirects the troopers and effectively moves them out of the way. Then he looks at exactly where Han is hiding and senses him again, then he starts literally walking away from where Han is behind the column.It really seems like he wanted to avoid the confrontation...

I think Kylo is terrified that he must face his father ("I know what I have to do, but I don't know if I have the strength to do it"). I'm sure that when the Falcon landed and Kylo sensed Han's presence that for him meant the meeting he wanted to avoid will probably happen. He perhaps went to sit in the pilot seat in order to find a solution to the conflict he was feeling...The moment Snoke told him his father is involved (the droid is on board of the MF with your father part) Kylo was given the task to kill him and that terrified him.

As to the deleted scene on the Falcon.

I knew about the scene before seeing the movie and I was very disappointed it is not there. The only way I can excuse them is if we have a similar scene later...

My question is now, as @FN3263827 said, if the whole scene will be in the DVD...

Also is the photo of maskless Kylo with the snowtroopers part of the scene (which I assumed all along it is) or was that only a promotional shot???

 

My money is on promotional

 

Well we have two maskless Kylo shots in the snow that didn't make it into the film...
This one is definitely promotional as it is Annie Leibovitz giving Adam Driver directions apparently.



But I'm still holding on some hope for this one...



This one has the snowtroopers which should be from the scene with the Falcon as they are nowhere else in the movie and we do see them in the short excerpt searching the Falcon. (some people have speculated that what you see in the distance sort of behind the snowtroopers) is the Falcon...
This shot though looks a bit too much to be promotional and I think it was supposed to be in the movie...

Well @p03 I prefer if you didn't wager or lost your money and we can have maskless Kylo instead

 

agreed

 

Agreed agreed

 

Well there is one scene even more important we will not see in deletes. and that is part of her vision. it is the part where its the voices and the Boy ( we are sure is Ben) is saying stay here sweetheart i will come back for you . (he is hiding her in the snowy forest ) she is 5 and he is 15 "i promise i will come back for you" she is searching for THat voice and then Kylo in his maske appears from behind the tree. ( as if the force is trying to tell her they are one in the same the boy and kylo) this is the scene of the academy... They are tied to it. WE know this is him and her. Who else uses the word Sweetheart ? Something a son would pick up and use? I refer to the empire strikes back . Han refers to Liea several times. it was his slang. I think this vision will appear in the same movie that she is to discover she was there and he hid her. It was cut and replaced with the ship . I suspect it was too revealing if they used the voices.

 

This would have been incredible to see! A potentially massive give away, but great nonetheless. It's a shame it wasn;t filmed/added to the Blu-Ray

 

I don't buy that. There is no indication that Kylo knows who Rey is until he fights her - and even then, that isn't so clear.
I mean, he hears about a girl from Jakku rescuing Finn and taking the droid, he abducts her on Takodana and looks into her mind - and still doesn't know who she is.
If Kylo was the one to leave her, for some reason, then he would know immediately that Rey was that girl. But he doesn't.

In the vision it is a bunch of memories and dreams juxtaposed on top of one another. Rey and Kylo's destinies are intertwined hence why they are both in that sequence. I imagine Ren had similar visions. But that for me is the voice of her mother or father. It doesn't make sense for Ren to have known her at all before he met her in TFA.

 

I know for a FACT that the part of the forceback where Rey see's Luke and Vader dueling at Cloud City (in the novel) was filmed but I doubt we will ever see that either. Mark Boulter did indeed play a body double for Luke I have seen pictures of him in costume. Who knows what else they cut from the vision. We will see when its released.

 

Here we go...

 

That's a great pic, good one!!

 

It's real the article is on SWNN. There are more pics go look!

http://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2016/03/first-look-force-awakens-deleted-scenes.html