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SPECULATION Who are the Guardians of the Whills and what will be their future role in SW?

Discussion in 'Rogue One' started by Star Dude, Dec 9, 2016.

  1. Star Dude

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    Dear all,

    over the last couple of weeks, different sources now mentioned the “Guardians of the Whills” in the context of Rogue One.

    The most prominent building on Jedha: The Temple of the Whills
    WhillsTemple.jpg

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    Chirrut’s Lightbow crafted by the Guardians of the Whills
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    And the track list of the R1 Soundtrack have the final track listed as “The Guardians of the Whills Suite

    So now those Whills are at least an official term within canon, but what’s behind it, especially with their presence or at least, a footprint left, on the force-strong planet of Jedha with all its Kyber crystals and Jedi heritage?

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    "Originally, I was trying to have the story be told by somebody else (an immortal being known as a Whill); there was somebody watching this whole story and recording it, somebody probably wiser than the mortal players in the actual events. I eventually dropped this idea, and the concepts behind the Whills turned into the Force. But the Whills became part of this massive amount of notes, quotes, background information that I used for the scripts; the stories were actually taken from the Journal of the Whills."
    - George Lucas​
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    Delving in the very early history of the Star Wars saga and the ideas George Lucas had before finalizing the script for ANH, the term WHILLS was equivalent to the FORCE, it was its given name. This and an ancient order above and beyond both Jedi and Sith, acting as keeper of a journal about the galactic history, as most of you already know.

    GL took up the early ideas and, to some degree, used them further in the Clone Wars. With the novelization of TFA, the Journal of the Whills became part of canon too.

    For more details, please refer to:
    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Keeper_of_the_Whills
    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Journal_of_the_Whills
    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ancient_Order_of_the_Whills
    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Shaman_of_the_Whills
    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Guardians_of_the_Whills

    Will they become another group of force wielders besides the already established Orders of Jedi and Sith in canon? Where could we possibly meet them again in future SW media and what would be their future (or past) role?

    How come that they use special bowcaster as the one used by Chirrut, and how will be the connection to the Church of the Force? Did they also use lightsabers?

    Have the Whills taught the first Jedi the workings of the Force? Why do their temple co-exist with Jedi ones on Jedha?

    At least in one version, it seems that a shaman of the Whills taught Qui Gon the skill to become one with the force after his physical death, so will Luke be on the trail to their wisdom also as they seem to precede the Jedi order?

    Will they interact with the Jedi and the Church of the Force again to counter such evil beings as Snoke and the Knights of Ren? Or are they all gone and just left some artifacts to be found?

    P.S.: Force those force lore enthusiasts among you, I also recommend the following Cantina threads...
    https://thecantina.starwarsnewsnet.com/index.php?threads/the-old-jedi-temples.10409/
    https://thecantina.starwarsnewsnet.com/index.php?threads/lightsaber-crystals.10505/
    https://thecantina.starwarsnewsnet....derstanding-of-the-force-to-a-new-level.9923/
     
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    Really interesting stuff. I had no idea the Whills were that prominent in this film. Seriously, good finds.

    Personally, my guess is that they won't be featured in Rogue One any more than what you've mentioned in this thread. Rogue One has touted itself on being different than other Star Wars films in that it doesn't focus on the Skywalkers (and presumably the jedi at large). I'd be surprised if they delved deeper into the lore of the force than ever before, then, by really digging into the Whills.

    However, I think this may be leading to something, perhaps something in Episode 8. We've been told VIII will really break the mold for Star Wars films- Rogue One's Whills bits might just be teasing for a huge reveal next year.
     
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    I hope you're right! I would live to see the force lore spread out to new grounds, as they did with the Bendu! Actually, when Luke is doing basic research on the roots of force lore, he might/should stumble onto them.
     
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    I have always wondered what George Lucas wanted to do with the Whills as he had always had them in mind right from the start.
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    I'm hopeful the Whills remain mysterious. We may get a glimpse of them here but, like Yoda's species, I hope they're the last thing we ever learn about this universe.

    Just my personal preference.
     
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    I hope we don't ever SEE them, but acknowledging that they exist would be great. I want them to be sort of a myth. Like only Chirrut has ever heard of them in this movie and nobody really believes him. I think the only people who should interact with them are the force ghosts. Making a god like concept physical in Star Wars is a rabbit hole I don't want to go down.
     
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    I agree. Star Wars has always had just enough mystery to leave some elements of universe to the imagination. Definitely a plus.
     
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    This is something that attracted me to Star Wars in the first place: The mixture of Space Opera action, starships and warriors in armor, combined with the mysticism in the background leaving some secrets to the imagination.

    At least the Whills seem to have left their footprint in the galaxy, if one takes a look at the monumental temple on Jedha. The question is, were they active in that temple themselves (and build it), or is it a shrine of worship to them, build by others like the church of the force, and where they just have some artifacts on display like the lightbow?

    I wonder, what in past times the Guardians of the Whills interaction with the Jedi order was, both having temple on the same planet so rich in force history and attracting pilgrims from all over the galaxy.

    And if WHILLS is just another term for the FORCE, they are naming themselves practically "Guardians of the Force". Hmmm....
     
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    Yes - I don't think we should assume that the Whills are a species, or group. I wonder if Chirrut is a Guardian himself?
     
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    Now that's an interesting thought.

    He's not a jedi, but he does seem to have some connection to the force. Maybe that's why?
     
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    Great thread!
    More then ever this leads me to the suggestion that Snoke could be one of the Whills. A failed one, a fallen one. Beside that I am excited about the new possibilities they could get now for telling us much more background content about the force and it's spreading since ancient days. :)
     
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    Hah, that’s really something to consider. Very good thinking! This would also explain why he’s in possession of one of the lightbows from the Guardians of the Whills!

    What a cool implication my friend! The age, alienness, the hidden & aloof status – all that would match and fit in nicely with what we know so far. Very intriguing thought indeed.

    And with @cawatrooper ‘s theory, it would connect R1 and TFA.
     
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    This. Just give us enough info to keep us discussing and theorizing about the Whills until after I die.
     
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    I'd say that for the sake of preserving some mysticism in Star Wars and preventing another midichlorioan fiasco, the actual Whills should be kept a secret for a very long time, if not forever- with a few possible exceptions:

    - I think we can see the Guardians of the Whills in future installments. An order dedicated to something does not at all prove its existence, but they could be an extremely interesting faction to introduce, and I think could actually add to the mystery of the Whills.

    - There's been some theories that Snoke is a "fallen" Whill. I personally really like this idea, since it makes him really important, and still doesn't really showcase the Whills in all their glory.

    - If Snoke is a "fallen" Whill, then I wouldn't mind some sort of implied Whill intervention in his inevitable downfall. Something that is ambiguous as to whether it's the Force, or some other sort of intervention from something else (the Whills, for those of you who have been paying attention :p)
     
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    Maybe Luke can help the fallen Whill Snoke back up like he did with his father. Maybe Snoke has good in him too.
     
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    I fear nothing. All is as the Force WHILLS it.

    A great post indeed my friend! Glad you joined the Cantina to discuss SW stuff with us :)

    It would be interesting if the Whills would lean to either side of the force, or try to just embrace the neutral aspects as the Bendu. Or their “Order” allows for both light and dark side adherence, as they are not aligned with the Jedi nor Sith codex. More like the Ones from Mortis: Father, Son and daughter from the CW representing all aspects of the force.

    As what I would conclude from the original concept, the Whills are preceding the old republic and will be there long after the new republic is just ash in galactic history.
     
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    Idk about the fallen whill thing because that reminds me of Green Lantern. I think it's fine, too, to keep the mystery but at least give us information as to who they are.
    Sort of the basics.
     
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    Thanks, I'm glad to be here! I love Star Wars, and I'm sure I'll learn a lot from the collective discussions here!

    Haha, that's true. I'm sure they could do it in a way that seems less derivative, but Green Lantern content and live action film don't exactly go hand in hand... :p
     
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    Awesome topic and discussion. It made thread of the week! Let's keep it going.
     
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    This to me was one of the most intriguing parts of R1. Loved the Jedha scenes so much.
     
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