Who does the movie title refer to?

Maybe Kylo is the true hero of the trilogy. He will forge a new empire and become a grey jedi. Rey will be his spouse - becaues in their new empire love between jedi is okay. So after Episode 9 there will be no more sith or jedi but something else. Maybe they fooled us with focusing on Rey too much. So it's the new Skywalker empire. Idk at this point I expect everything and nothing at the same time.

 

Well, Anakin did wish at a time in his life that the galaxy was ruled by "someone wise", which Padmé promptly replied that "it sounds like Dictatorship to me". So, I find it hard to believe that "The Rise of Skywalker" would be the rise of a new empire, or other form of autocratic government.

That said, I'm open to new orders and forms of government, so if the past is to die and a new order to rise I can see Ben and/or Rey being a part of that, possibly by the rise of a new order of Jedi, under the same name or a new one.

"For over a thousand generations, the Jedi Knights were the guardians of peace and justice in the Old Republic. Before the dark times, before the Empire." -Obi-Wan Kenobi (Star Wars IV: A New Hope)

"A thousand generations live in you now" -Luke ("The Rise of Skywalker" teaser)

So, all seems to indicate that the Jedi will return, again. After all, a thousand generations was a lot of time, and if the Jedi were the guardians of the galaxy for so long, it probably means it was a viable form of government (Republic + Jedi), at least from a certain point of view. But then, all it took were 2 Sith to break that long cycle ("Before the dark days. Before the empire"). And the Force got unbalanced.

So, in my opinion and since IX is to be the closure of the story, we will probably not get a new empire, or other form of autocratic form of goverment at the end, since that is what represents the dark days. It's more likely, in my view, that it will be the re-establishing of a new "Republic + New Order", which will probably be headed by Rey and/or Ben. This would finally bring balance to the force, and fulfill the prophecy.

It could have ended in VI. But since we're here, it probably took another awakening (vergence of the force) aka Rey, to finally make things right and finally bring balance to the Force. Luke was once convinced that the Jedi, and the Skywalker for that matter, had to end. That they were the cause of the unbalance. Funny enough, Ben and Luke agreed that things needed to end, although Kylo thinks in more extreme ways, so they were not that out of synch as we may believe. No, it's Palpatine, the Sith and the other unnaturally strong dark siders (including Snoke) that needed to end, to finally restore balance to the Force and peace and hope in the galaxy.

 

So the German translation of "The Rise Of Skywalker" is "Der Aufstieg Skywalkers":


(This is not the official logo, it's made by me)

Skywalker is singular and the title refers to one specific character. It's getting more and more obvious that this character is Kylo Ren. At least in my opinion.

 

For me the prophecy of Anakin "to bring balance to the force" was always kind of linked to the numbers of force users. In the time of Episode 1-3 there were many Jedi and just a small number of Sith. But with Anakins prophecy fulfilled there were 2 Sith and 2 Jedi = force balanced. Idk why I thought like that but it made sense to me somehow. So the Last Jedi was all about "we will go down a new path" so repeating the cycle wouldn't make much sense to me. Kyle and Rey are diverse characters and both saw the light and the dark side, so it could be possible that both of them embrace both sides and become something new. It might just get a new kind of name for Jedi or Jedi might just get interpreted new by them.

In terms of "the dark days", dark to whom? The Jedi? Yes, they were plenty before the Empire but the force is in balance now. Or maybe we will se another time like in the "Old Republic". Plenty of Jedi against plenty of Sith (would be cool for me).

Well those are my thoughts about it. In the end they probably will go another direction ^^

 

It could be the numbers, I don't know. It's not clear to me why the Force was considered to be unbalanced prior to the events of TPM. I mean, the Prophecy was already known before TPM. So, if the Force was already unbalanced by then, and if it foretold that someone would rise to bring balance to it, then what was causing that unbalance in the first place? Darth Sidious and Darth Plagueis alone? I guess Snoke was around by then as well.

I don't believe it was the Jedi that was causing the unbalance, or even Snoke, but again I don't know the events prior to TPM except for the few bits of lore told by Obi-Wan. I believe the Sith were behind the unbalance, by strengthening the dark side too much. So, the numbers don't seem to be the issue, in my view, but more on how you use and manipulate the Force.

 

@greenbalrog @Glendalope
Balance is not about the number of force users.
Because if so, the “imbalance” lasted centuries of not millennia.

And I believe it doesn’t have to do with the mere existence of the Sith as well.

Because if so, then the was not balance in the era of the Old Republic as well.

That said, the fact itself that there was a prophecy about a Chosen One with a specific task... to me cannot be take as something not monumental.

The Chosen One is the Space Messhia of that Universe.

So putting the dots together, I am starting to think that the point is not to erase the Sith and or the Jedi too, nor to merge Light and Dark. Or to erase the Dark per se.

I believe that something out of the ordinary, therefore a/the Greater Evil, “poisoned” the Force. Something that challenged the Cosmic Force, the Will of Force. Because in ordinary time, it’s the force itself that somehow makes sure that there is balance between the 2 aspects.

And that caused the birth of the Chosen One.

The rise of Skywalker is about that. Why he was really born, and “how”. What’s left to do to close that circle and start a new one

 

Agreed. But, like no Jedi were equal, perhaps Darth Sidious and Darth Plagueis were no ordinary Sith either. After all, Darth Plagueis is said to have found, or was close to having found, a way to cheat death. That could have been enough to cause a big unbalance on the force, due to whatever they were doing or trying to do.

I agree that the Rise of Skywalker may also be about why Anakin and Rey were born and how. And I also agree that the unbalance must be about a great evil, something that disrupted and corrupted the force. The Vergence of the Force (or the two of them) was probably the way the Force used to counter this/these agent(s).

So, the big question seems to be, who were those agents, that caused the unbalance in the force? From I to VI we thought it was Sidius and Plagueis. Snoke now entered, and well, left the equation. Do you think they will introduce a new super villain in the IX chapter of the saga? Or will they go with Sidius, Plagueis and perhaps Snoke in some way?

Seems a bit late to present the super master-mind behind the unbalacing of the force. We know Palpatine/Sidius will return in IX in some form. We also have Kylo Ren / Ben Solo to resolve. So, perhaps the Force just needs to get rid of Sidius once and for all, through Rey and Ben.

 

Well also the idea of who made the prophecy? Yoda says it could have been misread. but what if Plaguis, Palpatine or Snoke actually presented the prophecy to the jedi in the first place, in order to keep an eye out for a 'chosen one' and thus invite Anakin (who Palpatine created) into there order and sowing the seeds of their destruction. for all we know the prophecy could have been a sith trap to blind the jedi.

 

I believe the existence of Palpatine was draining the force, making other users less able to harness its power. To me the powerful Darksiders caused an imbalance. They were wounding the force. Like black holes devouring the force.

Ultimately, Anakin was the Light that rose up to meet Palpatine.

 

It has been - and continues to be - the official Canonical stance that "bringing balance to the Force" meant destroying the Sith, which Anakin/Vader was believed to have done by sacrificing himself to save Luke.

If Palpatine did not in fact die, however, the imbalance would have remained, potentially explaining Rey's "awakening" as he began to re-emerge as the "power behind the scenes" and the need for another "chosen one" to be created or "prepared" to meet him.

 

Yes, it could have been a "trojan horse" of sorts as well Seeing the PT I always got the sense that the whole thing could have been a Sith plot, including the rise of Anakin and the implosion of the Jedi by the so called "Prophecy of the Chosen One". Darth Plagueis "The Wise" is credited by being able to influence the midi-chlorians to create life. So, one hypothesis is that he, with or without Darth Sidious, could have "helped" create Anakin.

It would make so much sense for Snoke to be Plagueis, the old version or a new one. I mean, the Phantom Menace was Sidious plan starting to get into motion. It was suggested that Sidious killed Plagueis, and Maul was his new apprentice. But what if Plagueis rose from the dead as Snoke? That could technically not be Plagueis, but still be, in a way. I think it would make a lot of sense for Anakin to have "killed" Sidious, for Kylo/Ben to have killed Plagueis/Snoke, and in IX he or Rey, or both (probably Rey) would kill Sidious for good, and the prophecy could finally be fulfilled?

 

At this point is really hard to distinguish head canon from speculation.
But I feel like they can use Sidius only to establish once and for all that he caused Anakin’s birth.
If so... that is such a manipulation of the Force that it may “poison” it.
So the Chosen One is what caused both the unbalance and ultimately the balance.
The question is why Sidius did that?
If ep. IX address that (while establishing the above) then they can tie everything.
Personally if so, I believe that Rey is the key to a new cycle that may come / has to come once both Sidius and the Skywalkers (them all) are gone. Together with the Sith and the old Jedi Order.
And like I said elsewhere she may literally be an incarnation of thousands of generations of Jedi that learnt from their mistakes or a new “Smhi”. Possibly the one that always was supposed to be the mother of the CO, had Sidius not “altered “ the course of events

 

Do you say I’m a Christians or I’m a Jews? The current understanding is that this movie represents the end of the Skywalker saga. If it is, then people are taking on “Skywalker” as a religion. Jedi’s are basically extinct in the TFA. They are legend. Luke is the last one, hence the last film being TLJ.

The storyline here is clearly biblical. Jedi = Jew, Skywalker = Christian, and Luke (a Skywalker) = Jesus who will rise from the dead in a spiritual form before departing. Lucas has always taken from religion on this Saga. JJ will continue it. The diversion from it is that it was Anakin who was the virgin birth. They needed that diversion from the original films to do episodes 7-9. This sets them up for a new trilogy, probably taking on the same storyline regenerated with a new cast down the road. Disney didn’t spend billions on this to stop making Star Wars trilogy films, they just need a clean slate. Perfect ending leaving an open door and a blank canvas for the future. It also fits with Lucas’ own description years ago:

http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,23298-2,00.html

The Skywalker saga clearly draws heavily from Christianity. This is very clear given the first 8 films. The 9th won’t be a departure.

Some other common threads:

Vader vs Luke = Abraham. Kill your son.
Qui-gon = Moses, sets slaves free.
Empire = yeah, so um.. Hitler. Complete with Stormtroopers.

 

There is certainly a biblical parallel in all this, and there was something JJ Abrams said in celebration that stuck with me and that somehow confirms this observation of yours. It was something about “dealing with the sins of the father” (“sins of the father” meaning , I think, the mistakes of the previous generation). Abrams used this phrase more than once and it made me think of the old an New Testament for sure.

I think that, according to your theory, and if we are fastidious linguistically, “skywalker” in the title should be equivalent to “Christianity” not “Christian”. It could be that in the course of the saga “Skywalker” evolves in meaning, from a family name, to a legacy (in the case of Luke in ANH), to a legend (in TLJ), and finally to a new philosophy (in TROS).

Let’s not forget that Christianity was the religion of the slaves during the Roman Empire until it became the religion of power.... we see similarities in the ST: At the end of TLJ the Canto Bight slave Broomboy shows us that the legend of Skywalker is inspiring and has the potential to become something powerful. Therefore, this idea of Skywalker as a current of thought or movement which inspires the poor and oppressed could gain momentum in TROS.

 

You’re right, you wouldn’t say “I’m a ChristianS.” But also keep in mind, a Christian doesn’t follow someone named Christian. They follow Christ. You don’t say, “I’m a Christ.” You say, “I’m a Christian.” If the name Skywalker becomes a new religion out of the Jedi, you would expect it to change in a similar fashion—like Skywalkians, which sounds dumb. So, the title TROS would be analogous to “The Rise of Christ”—not “The Rise of Christians.” I think the Jedi will evolve and be inspired by Luke in some new profound way, but I don’t see the name changing. Perhaps it could be a separate order of the Jedi, or level of Jedi—like Jedi Knight, Jedi Master, Jedi Skywalker.

 

Why can't Rey be the chosen one?

Its odd to me that I see so many "big fans" of the ST keep pushing for very demeaning/sexist roles for Rey.

Reylo. Giving birth to the chosen one. Giving Kylo a reason to be redeemed. The new Shmi. Etc.

Why can't she be the chosen one?

Why can't she be the one who defeats Palps once and for all?


Why can't she be the "heir" to the Skywalker legacy, either through blood or (for lack of a better word) adoption?


What's most frustrating is it appears the ST is really going the route of being about Kylo's redemption so he can defeat Palps, so a lot of "fans" are going to get their wish it seems.

 

First: I am everything but a Reylo, guaranteed.
That’s what would actually have me out. So I wasn’t talking about that at all...

That said, the chosen one in this story is Anakin and I love coherence in storytelling.
If this is the 3rd part of the same story, Rey has to be tied thematically if not by blood
to the core point/issue of the saga.
And I would find bizarre if to do so they’re going to use Sidius but
not Anakin that is the protagonist of the Skywalker Saga at least untill ep. vi.

If the point is going to be Palpatine is back and all of a sudden he is the big villain again
I won’t take it as good storytelling but as a deus ex machina thing that proves the
lack of planning and creativity of these people once and for all.
And a solution that would make of him the real protagonist of the IX movies.

I’d love better for them to kill all the Skywalkers - Ben/Kylo included- and pass the mantle
(the Skywalker’s legacy) to other people by virtue and not blood.
That’s actually my n.1 ideal finale

 

I don't see why most of what you listed here can't be true all at the same time?

 

But do the translators get any hints about the meaning of the title so they could translate it correctly? The official polish translation is "Skywalker. Odrodzenie" - "Skywalker. Rebirth" [yes, rebirth!]. "The Rise of Skywalker" is quite tricky to tranlate to polish precisely because of the name in it. Without getting into our grammar, it seems to me that tranlator didn't know who does the title refers to, so he decided to evade this problem and, as a result, the title sounds unnatural. And of course there is a question why he used the word "rebirth"? But should we pay attention to this, if it may be just some guy's over-interpretation?