SPECULATION Why are Rey and Ren so powerful?

Each generation becomes stronger, they mature in strength.............or something.

 

Actually, it would be interesting...

Luke and Leia were powerful because their father was BORN of the Force. But their mother was not Force-sensitive at all. (Not was Anakin's)

Maybe they will say that you actually come out stronger if your MOTHER is Force-sensitive and carried you, than if your father was.

Would be an interesting spin and fits in with the new LFL approach to be...let's call it, "female friendly".

It gives Leia more importance in the overall story and a good send-off as well, as they have promised us.

And a daughter, in Rey, who can right the ship.

 

Maybe this force sensitive baby (Alora) that Ezra and Ahsoka rescued in Rebels is Rey's mother in the future? She and her grandmother even seem to be wearing some force religion type of attire.

 

Maybe because if"Skywalker returns , the new Jedi will rise." Rey and Kylo. He will return and they will rise.

 

Rey and Kylo have been tied together from their births IMO, Rey most likely isn't a Skywalker, but the force has chosen them as the light and dark and together they bring the balance that Anakin did 3 decades prior, but maybe for good this time.

 

I voted for "Volcanic Force eruption", because at the moment its the only one that makes any sense. It feels like they're making the story up as they go.

 

In canon, for the most part, we've only seen Force users pre-ROTJ. Now that there is balance in the Force, maybe the light and dark sides have the potential to be more powerful than ever before. Rey and Kylo may have the potential to surpass the Chosen One himself, as long as there is balance.

 

First open it up for multiple choices. The current poll only allows a shared cause for the power. That they are both Skywalker's or its destiny. But it could be both (Anakin was both Skywalker and Chosen one) and now we have a protagonist and antagonist that are halves of at least symbolically Anakin.

Whether Rey is related or not she is the parallel opposition to Kylo.

He is the driven aristocrat who believed and attempted to build a destiny for himself. "That sword is MINE."

She is a subsistence scavenger who tried at every opportunity to not accept the destiny the Force dropped on her. "Destiny now cals to you."

She's the heir of Providence he is the Blood heir, son of Leia, apprentice to the legendary Luke Skywalker.

 

I don't think Ren is that powerful. So far the only person we've SEEN with raw power is Rey.

Think about this...

1. Ren couldn't mind break her but easily broke Poe. Ren couldn't beat her in the end duel. Ren is strong but is unsatisfied with his power, the opposite of Anakin who knew he was powerful. I believe Ren is just average when compared to the other Jedi, which drove his resentment and hatred towards them. That fueled his embracing a promise of more power from Snoke by joining the Dark Side.
Remember the lines from Ben to Han..."he was weak and foolish, like his father..." Ben Solo wasn't raw power.

2. Rey has displayed a crazy amount of power with no training. Between the force back, the mind trick, the resisting Kylo, the force pull of the saber, the piloting the Falcon and the end duel. She's displayed raw strength. She's also displayed being "truly special".

3. Key words. Snoke used the word "found" when talking about a person with Raw power. Luke used the word "seen" and "then" when talking about the raw strength. All are past tense. What Luke speaks of could have something to do with why Rey was isolated on Jakku.

Why this works...

1. It helps with the Kylo resentment and desire to be more like Vader angle.
2. It give the opportunity to explain Rey's past and why she was isolated.
3. It cleans up JJ making Rey super powerful with no training in TFA.

My prediction. Ren will remember when Han says to him "Snoke is just using you for your powers, once he gets what he wants he'll crush you." When he realizes Snoke wants Rey, that's when he will betray Snoke.

 

2 thoughts.

Any anime/manga fans here? OK, well just about EVERYONE at least knows about Dragonball. One phenomenon in the DB uni is when a full-blooded Saiyan (Goku and Vegeta's race; both are full-bloods and special at that) has a child with a human/non-Saiyan that child is seemingly more powerful at a younger age. They are able to do things like fly, certain techniques, and most-importantly turn super-Saiyan at a younger age than their parents. We see this happen to effect with at least 2 subsequent generations in DBZ/DBGT.

So, while it would seem completely counter-intuitive, perhaps as The Chosen One's (tm) blood becomes more watered-down it actually becomes more powerful? There's that old argument 'Is Luke more powerful than Vader?' and 'Well, what about at each's prime?' So you could arguably say that Luke is more powerful than his father, TCO. Could then, in turn, Luke and Leia's children be naturally more powerful than their parents by this same curious property? Just a thought.

Oh.

And if you notice during the voice-over in the trailer when Snoke is talking about finding a raw power... as he rambles we are shown images of Ben - clearly leading us to think he's talking about Kylo then (whether misdirect or not). However, when he says 'and something truly special' (or whatever close to that effect) we are THEN shown Rey. So there's that.

 

I think Ren indeed is powerful, but maybe not as powerful as Anakin or Luke. To say he's of average Force strength would be an understatement.

 

In what context are we shown that? We only see him powerful when he's angry or using the dark side. That's why he says "he was weak and foolish" like his father. His father that didn't have the force. I think Ren really started to resent Han because Han wasn't force sensitive, which in Rens mind, diluted his potential force powers. Ren has been shown unsatisfied with his power, even after embracing the dark side. "Show me again the power of the darkness". Show him again because he doesn't have it all the time.

Sorry, but based on what have seen in the films, if you take away Ren's anger he's not that powerful. Not compared to other Jedi we've seen. Nothing about him has screamed "special" either. Rey on the other hand has displayed nothing but raw special power. It's right in front of our faces.

 

That is just your own interpretation.

You know, being angry is what fuels the people who uses the dark side. That's the whole point of having a dark side at all. Your argument can be used on any dark side user: "We only see Palpatine powerful when he's angry or using the dark side", "We only see Darth Maul powerful when he's angry or using the dark side". It simply doesn't hold up.

I think you're confusing Kylo's confliction with his powers, which isn't the same thing. For all I know, Kylo seems to be the most powerful when he's NOT thinking about Han Solo or other things that's "pulling him to the light", so to speak. That's when he's using his hate and anger, like when he's killing Lor San Tekka, torturing Poe, or capturing Rey.

"Show me again the power of the darkness", is just his obsession with Darth Vader.

 

Why does he want to resist the light? FOR MORE POWER! He believes the only way to be on Vader's level is to go as dark as he can. He was right, he's foolish.

So what? New tricks do not make him more powerful. Do you think Ren has the ability to shoot lightning out of his fingers? Dooku did. Palpy did. Yoda could stop lightning with his hands. ALL MORE POWERFUL THAN REN!

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So you think Ren is raw power?

 

techsteveo, you don't understand the dark side.

 

You don't understand context clues, story telling and human nature. The dark side is whatever Rian Johnson wants it to be.

Answer my question. Do you think Ren is raw power?

 

Isn't it possible that Kylo's own actions are limiting his power? The TFA visual dictionary tells us that he is a focal point of light and dark side power - a balance - but he could well be be capping his own potential in his attempts to push against his own natural state further into the dark.

(Which, thinking about it, is probably why Snoke wants him to do it - if he's such a force powerhouse then he's a threat to Snoke himself. Keeping him labouring under the belief he needs to change to achieve his destiny limits Kylo's threat to his master, either intentional or otherwise).

 

No, it's not. Rian Johnson didn't invent the dark side, so he's clearly writing his story based on what's been previously established.

I don't think anything about anyone until I've seen the film. I am basing all my thoughts on things that has been established and shown in canon material up until now.