Why Me and Friends Didn't like TFA

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Oh nooo, someone didn't do a hand gesture!!!! You're totally right, god this movie is awful. (she was handcuffed)

Funny you should mention Luke because he is the only real piece of material we have of a Jedi coming to learn their powers. Perhaps Rey is just more powerful. Or perhaps there are theories to explain this, that make sense and are logical which you have blatantly disregarded

I'm guessing you're 12 years old and you're really into the flashy, spinny, jumpy prequel stuff, which there's nothing wrong with. But there's this thing called emotion, that makes saber battles amazing. (like the OT)

You clearly didn't watch the movie properly. If you had, you would have noticed that Rey does this kind of thing all the time. The rage she feels at Kylo (when he captures her and after he kills Han), "darth-mauling" kylo when she won over him, clearly contemplating and perhaps wanting to kill him. (plus she doesn't know anything about the force. she doesn't know hate and anger turn you to the dark)

how dare YOUUUUUUUUU. Ewwwwww. This really does make me cringe. But it's hilarious at the same time

Really shouldn't have wasted my energy on people like you, but now that i have might as well "post reply"

 

I read up to this and then realised you were trolling.

 

so the problem is that the use of the force is "inconsistent" with the other SW movies.
I think the powers of the force are the least important thing to the SW universe and the concept of the force itself, and every time in the movies these powers were adapted and used as tools for the story, it wasn't the story that adapted itself to those powers.
you're not stronger in the force if you just use more "powers", is the level of connection that you have with it that defines how strong you are.
If the strength of a jedi was mesured by how many powers they show in the movies then the jedi in the prequels should be stronger that luke and Vader, since most of the jedi show more skills and powers during those movies than during the original trilogy.

And I thought that the power of blocking or freezing things mid air wasn't that crazy or more powerful than pushing away objects, it was just cooler and worked well for the scenes that power was used

 

The First Order has sensed a troll traitor and declares this thread closed.

 

The legend and lore wasnt set up by Lucas only, thats the most common misconception (lie?) about Star Wars. The OT was created by several artists (Gary Kurtz, Lawrence Kasdan, Irwin Kershner, Marcia Lucas, Ralph McQuarrie and so on) George Lucas just happens to be the one who got the most credit for them. If you read the original synopsis of the legend of Luke Starkiller by Geroge Lucas you will see that it looked nothing like the final product. ESB had even less to do with Lucas than ANH. He had minimal involvement with that movie.

It was acutally Lucas alone who took a big dump on the lore and legend which was created by several people, by those atrocious prequels.
Terribly written, terribly acted with some of the most infamous bad dialogues ever puked on paper.

So many inconsistencies you say? If you were willing to overlook the many glaring contradictions between the OT and the PT than you shouldn't even notice the ST ones as they are so minor compared to the fck ups Lucas caused by the prequels.

Im gonna list a few, only the major one's:

Ot: 1000 generation vs Pt: 1000 years (This is the biggest continuity fck up ever made)
Obi-Wan being taught by Yoda OT vs Qui-gon PT
Leia remembering her REAL mother (and no, not some idiot dream or force ghost)
Palpatine using a lightsaber (those were like just toys for him)
Tantive IV design in the Ot vs Pt (a glaring mistake and a huge disrespect to the first movie)
R2D2's rocket. (and the fact that he knows everything about the PT era and what Luke needed to know, but didnt say a word to him)
Technology is entirely different only 18 years before the OT
Death Star took 18 years to finish vs OT's only 1 years to build a bigger, stronger one despite the great defeat from the Rebels.

The whole conception of midichlorians (never hinted in the OT, and contradicts with everything Lawrence Kasdan wanted to say in ep V)

Qui-gon taught the jedi the force ghost trick (if that is so, than how can Anakin also be a force ghost?)

In ANH Luke says clone warS but in the PT there is only one clone war

Obi-Wan not recognising R2D2, despite he spent 13 years with him.

Rule of 2 (contradicted several times in the PT already, but also if Palpatine belives in that rule so much, than why does he wanted to seduce Luke? He would be a third one)

Owen never showed any disagreement with Anakin in the PT and they only met around a couple of minutes (that was shown completly differently in the OT)

Obi-Wan never served Bail Organa in the clone wars

Chewbacca not remembering the jedi and the Force despite he saw Yoda in action in the PT.

and so on.

Character fck ups:
Anakin's whole caracter ( he was never shown as a “good man” in the PT and he wasnt a tragically seduced hero, but crybaby and a psychopat who was TRICKED to the dark side)

Yoda's whole character (we was a wise old character in the OT inspired by yogis (thus the name) who only teach and would never fight with a lightsaber vs PT's arrogant, stupid idot who cant even see a sith lord in the front of his stupid eyes, didnt help Anakin despite he was struggling in the front of him, and cant win a single fight even vs 100 years old guys, going to exile for no real reason at all).

The entire conception of the Jedi (OT: mythical guardians of peace and justice who use the Force as a religion vs PT's idiot celebs who sit in circles dealing with trade taxation disputes and crying about how clouded they are)

Age fck ups:
Obi wan is in his mid 30s in the PT then suddenly he is 70 in the OT 18 years later.
Anakin is only in his early 40s according to PT version vs OT's old Anakin version (at least end 50s).


And this is just a short list I worte. The ST's ,,contradictions" seem very minor in contrary with the ones the PT caused.

 

The First Order has sensed a troll traitor and declares this thread closed. Don't take the bait.

 

If I'm being truly honest, I left the theater feeling as though I'd seen a JJ Abrams film that just happened to have a Star Wars theme. Not to say I didn't enjoy a majority of the film. Most of it was fantastic and at least moderately Star Warsy. But it was in the last act of the story that I realized I was watching a JJ Abrams film. That's not a bad thing per se, but when you watch a movie like Star Wars, you want to be immersed in the universe you're being shown on the screen. There were certain shots at certain angles that I recognized from other non Star Wars films and it broke the feeling of immersion for me. I couldn't tell you which shots they were exactly, I've only seen the movie once (because of reasons I will not go into in this thread), they just struck me as a little too familiar.

Now, not everyone is going to have the same eye as me, and I'm sure those bits were seen by plenty of people who didn't notice it at all. But I suppose it's a bit like the way certain music composers have a signature sound. You always know Danny Elfman from Hans Zimmer from John Williams. I suppose Abrams has his own signature with directing.

 

I was worried this would eventually happen. Stay on target.

 

Wow, this thread astonishingly sucks.. Well, I haven't read all of it, just the first and the last page, and it seemed without developement, so my apologies if there's some gold inbetween I missed.

@MeAndOthersDidntLikeTFA , it seems your review of the movie is based solely on the fact that it doesn't fit some strict concept of Force powers you yourself constructed in your head over the years. You know that there is more to a film than this, right? For example it's story, characters and performance, dialogues, emotion, action, sound and music, effects, camera, costumes and sets, ...

I hope you are just trolling, because otherwise it would be so sad that you went to watch this film that (in my opinion) excels in all those things I mentioned above, which makes it (despite some lot more relevant flaws) potentionally beautiful and enjoyable experience, and all you were thinking about was "Hey, this is so bad because I believe there's no way that guy could do that thing he just did!", just sad..

I know it may not seem that way, but it actually is much more fun to live when you try to be more open-minded and enjoy things instead of looking for reasons to hate them. I really recommend to give TFA another chance, possibly without bias, it gets better every time.

And directly to your problems: I believe the creators of TFA are very much aware of the lore and all those things about Rey's powers you labeled as plotholes are deliberately mysterious and special. It should inspire the questions like "How the hell did she do that, I wonder if she's hiding something or is special in some way, can't wait for the next episode to answer it!". It's a mystery that will be adressed. Trust JJ a bit, would ya?

Sorry for my possibly bad English, hope you understood.

 

I am 90% sure this is a troll and a ploy for attention. People just can't be this stupid
Perhaps im wrong

Unintelligent reply to an unintelligent post made by an unintelligent person
Didn't even try mate

 

Did the poster name give it away?

Actually, a pretty effective, clever and intelligent (from a certain point of view) troll - gets a lot of replies, and a lot of negative votes, and hasn't been banned.

 

I think that this person has taken things a tad too far but, as someone above said, I agree that there are "Fans" out there who construct these grand ideas about the force, jedi, etc. but then either they're wrong or things dont live up to their expectations and that results in threads like these.

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Yeah for someone this bad, Im shocked that he's not banned yet.

 

The movie does't really need defending, because none of the criticisms have successfully exposed any critical failings of the film, only nitpicks and inconsequential gripes, which, themselves, can be taken apart with ease. Any movie that is the biggest movie in U.S. history, has received an overwhelmingly positive critical and popular consensus, and is picking up award nominations left and right doesn't need to be defended. It already has been established as an excellent film by a clear majority of critics and moviegoers. If you didn't like it, that's your problem. We'll continue enjoying the hell out of it.

 

Awwwwww im sorry.....you poor soul.

You are literally what's wrong with the internet. Not because you don't like the film, but because of the way you conveyed it.
I'll say what you want everyone here to say:
"Omg your right, what an awful movie. Can't believe i've been bandwagoning Star Wars this whole time. You and me are the true Star Wars fans and anyone else who doesn't like it are just stupid. We are superior in every way both in intellect and in taste to the people who liked this film".

This is clearly a troll, but on the off chance you are actually serious, i'll say this.
Stay off the internet, stay positive, maybe get some professional help