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SPOILER Wolves and a door/A world between worlds review

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Rebels' started by alex, Feb 27, 2018.

  1. Jayardia

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    Poor Vader- his lightsaber-dueling opponents keep bloody *vanishing* on him!

    (vader) wth!?




    I’m enjoying the latest episodes- certainly catching a bit of a ‘Raiders of the Lost Ark’ vibe with the last few. Fun stuff.

    Ahsoka is back in a way that I wasn’t entirely expecting- leaving her character fairly open, and viewers with more hungry questions once again.

    I was expecting something more along the lines of Filoni’s own reference (regarding Ahsoka) in that her character will return, but in a “Gandalf the Grey/Gandalf the White” transitioned form. ...Which causes me to suspect that her personal storyline was in a “Schrodinger’s Cat-state” and was not as clearly pre-planned out by Filoni as was implied in the latest RebelsRecon. But hey- only Filoni knows for sure! (The grey-white transition may still be in DF’s mind-storyboard).

    I relished the bits that focused on interpretation of artwork- that was pretty cool. Felt a bit like Robert Langdon may’ve arrived on-scene at any moment. ;)

    I’m salivating for the next one... the grand finale.

    The indicated notion that “certain beings have a pivotal, essential role to play in the path of the universe” exemplified by the necessity of Kanan’s death may just have foreshadowed what is in store for Ezra... but (?) -we’ll find out for certain soon enough...
     
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    I think it's very clear that it was planned out. I mean, why else would the duel in the S2 finale have been shot the way it was? The very moment that we cut away from the duel - the brief glimpse of Ahsoka descending the stairway... It tied together too neatly to be something that was just made up as Filoni went along. I think the Gandalf type theories were all just down to the imaginations of fans. I don't think it was ever under consideration as far as DF was concerned.
     
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    *puts on tinfoil hat*

    What if every single time a Jedi disappears, it's because Ezra grabbed them? And their Force ghosts are just also travelling back through time to add to the illusion of their death? :eek:
     
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    Why not? lol
    I mean the theoretical ability to do so is now canon...
     
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    So I'm confused, they've been fighting (Vader Ashoka) each other for that entire time? Also, why were we hearing events that didn't happen yet?
     
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    Bluehaired punk just left the keys from the temple to himself and now trolling fans. Nice :D
     
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    It's time travel, amigo.

    That would've been a really long time to fight! Like, two full hair colors for Sabine long.
     
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    I like to think you’re correct (about it being well-planned out.) I’d feel good about that- as I imagine Filoni’s got more up his sleeve regarding our Ahsoka which demands telling, and I would appreciate a well-considered story focused on my most relished character.

    On the other hand, even if DF plays her tale in an off-the-cuff fashion, I’ll still be there to see it. (id est - they’ve got my money.)

    If I’m able to track down the Filoni/Ahsoka/Gandalf quote article, I’ll let you know- it may very well have been in my imagination, -or a misinterpretation on my part. (Or it yet still may be a plan for the future of her character.)
     
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    So what Ashoka is fine then now? But what happened in the "real world"?
     
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    It's not time travel. Ahsoka was pulled out of her timeline by Ezra and into the world between worlds and then returned to her timeline for us to see her walking down the steps into the temple on Malakor (at the end of Season 2).
     
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    As I understand, that did happen in the "real world". And I'm not sure how time travel works in Star Wars, since it's a relatively new concept, but I guess it's possible that future Ezra had always saved her in that temple- we just never got to see it until we caught up with the timeline.

    I guess.

    Maybe a more apt description would be the weird Tesserect world at the end of Interstellar, where you can interact across space and time without actually travelling through it.
     
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    Yes.
    The world between world is out of time. It provides doorways across time and space. Once Ezra enters it, he too is out of time regardless of the fact that he is two years in Ahsoka's future in the 'real world'. By pulling her too out of time, he prevents her death (either by Vader or by temple falling on her head), but when she returns through the doorway, in the real world she is two years in his past. Rebels are escaping Malachor, Vader is limping out of it and she is entering the temple while holding her arm.

    Note: the doorway to Ezra's vision to Kanan has a Sith symbol above. It's the temptation to be selfish and, when Ezra resists, Palpatine appears. I think it's safe to say, with Mortis gods and everything, that world between worlds is a place of the entirety of the Force.
     
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    In the real world we were all watching events unfold on an animated TV show.
     
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    These episodes were awesome. Dave Filoni you the MVP!!

    It gave me hints of Raiders of the Lost Ark with just a slight similarity of the Time-turner from Harry Potter and The Prisoner of Askaban for the time travel concept. However, this is bigger since that world between worlds was a crossing between time and space created by the Force. I think this is awesome, and even when Kanan is still dead, he saved even more people while giving Ezra a last lesson.

    The voices was something else totally. I found interesting that there were not only Force-users in it (Jyn Erso) or Light Side of the Force users only (we heard Kylo Ren and Darth Vader too). What I found interesting too was that we didn't hear Luke's voice. I would have loved to hear his "I am a Jedi, like my Father before me" from ROTJ or "This is not going to go the way you think!" from TLJ.

    I shudder to think what would Palpatine have done with all that power.

    And what you say about Ahsoka makes a lot of sense. It reminds me of the movie "The Lake House" where this concept of two lovers separated by time - two years apart - and that at the end, she warns him not to look for her at a certain specific moment - which causes his death - so he saves him and he can look for her two years later. It makes sense that Ahsoka would not look immediately for the Ghost crew and would have to wait until after these episodes's events.

    Having knowledge of the future is dangerous and what Yoda said makes so much sense: "Difficult to see. Always in motion is the future." It reminds me the concept I read on a fan-fic regarding potential time traveling and how going back to the past could influence the events of the future. (I know, some of us might cringe at the thought of wisdom coming from a piece of fan-fiction but this one has some valid arguments about it - Legends focused anyway. You can find my thread review here.)

    Think of all the possibilities!! And it's like @LadyMusashi said: of course it would not be easy for her to come back immediately to the Rebels knowing what's in store for them the next two years.

    You mentioned Robert Langdon and I thought immediately of how weird would be if he comes with Sienna Brooks to that galaxy lol.

    Oh dear... I know!!!

    That's a great way to portray it. He is tempted to be selfish and save his master, but he resists when Ahsoka shows him what would be the consequences of his actions.
     
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    Good point! But what if she returns to Malachor at the same time present events are? That would explain why she still hasn't find Ezra (alright, she doesn't have any ship arounda) and why there are no explotions or fire near the Sith temple. Also, from that point of view she could be sent in time prior to all the events. I really like your interpretation, but we have to wait and see...
     
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    Everything is possible with Dave Filoni, but I think her hurt arm convinced me. She exits a portal near temple entrance and she holds herself in a way she does on this picture:
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    We'll see... Three more episodes to go.
     
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    I think your point that she doesn't have a ship is the key one. Maybe she's still on Malachor.
     
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