"You still want to kill me...." What does Kylo Ren mean?

EXACTLY! Enough with political correctness. Education and environment influences a lot. I loved fairy tales as a girl but I was told as well it was a fantasy, so I was able to make that separation and to take the lessons behind those stories, not to interpret them as dogma.

 

What's "Dogma" ?

 

A Kevin Smith film from 1999 starred by Matt Damon and Ben Affleck? Lol.

 

Disney would never do it, nor should they. It's a TERRIBLE idea, just wrong on so many levels.

 

I've never heard of it lol .

 

Exactly. Kylo could easily taken her down but all he did was hit at her lightsaber and try to knock her off balance and disarm her.

And his offer to teach her is deluded but if you think it through - it is the only alternative he has to end the fight without having to injure or kill her.

In the End Snoke was right. It isn't Rey's strengh that is making Kylo fail. It's his compassion /weakness.

 

You are welcome! I'm also very happy someone beside me sees those things and is like-minded!
You are by the way the first person (beside me) who also sees the moment Kylo practically gives up and he gives up not because he is not capable of ending this, but because he doesn't want it to end badly for Rey. He basically let her beat him and I'm not saying it and be accused as an apologist for the outcome of the fight, but this is really how it played out. I agree, I'm also not saying it diminishes Rey's "victory", but the fact is, if Kylo wanted her injured or dead she would have been, period. But he makes great efforts and despite his wounds continues to drag this out because he doesn't want that outcome to happen (her getting injured or dead), he then offered an alternative (to be her teacher) and her sudden tapping into the force caught him by surprise and he couldn't really readjust to defend himself and then the moment where she pushes his sabre into the ground you can see in his face that he simply "gives up".

As Harrison Ford has said about this scene (which he says is his favorite from TFA) - this is "great visual storytelling".

And absolutely. If one knows how narrative framework works, you can see where this is going.

 

I guess that some people just see/interpret their interactions VERY differently than I do. Because I got NONE of this supposed compassion/romantic tension between them, only creepiness and hostility. She probably wants to stab him in the face at this point.

You know, I was talking to my cousin the other day. She and her family went to see the movie together awhile back. And during the interrogation scene, her 8-year old daughter turned to her and said "mommy, the bad man is hurting Rey." So even little kids can pick up on how wrong/disturbing it is, if only on a really basic level.

 

To me, it felt like Ren had his training wheels on with Rey and went full on crazy with Poe although we didn't necessarily see the full extent of it ...

 

Ren tends to pass off the chores he thinks he's above to Hux and shut just thinks that Kylo is a big cry baby .

 

IMO, that was for exposition purposes. On one hand to show the hostile relationship with Hux. On the other hand, if he was shown going back to Jakku and failing to apprehend Finn and BB8 that would not be a good thing for him...and at the same time Finn, Rey and BB8 had to escape and leave Jakku, which would not have happened if they met Kylo at that point.

Haha he had a hairdresser appointment.

 

Darth Vader : Tattooine

Kylo Ren : Jakku

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That's where all of the cool kids are from in SW .