"You still want to kill me...." What does Kylo Ren mean?

I was referring to the stuff where Snoke talks about Kylo - that he is the perfect embodiment of light and dark. That Kylo feels compassion towards Rey, that stuff...It should have been left in I think...
Also more from Kylo and Rey dialogue should have been left in - like when he is telling her before trying to read her mind that he doesn't enjoy it and he prefers not to cause her any pain...
That would have given pause to all those people now who see this scene as only a torture one...Despite the obvious parallels to distinctly differentiate it from Poe's interrogation which are deliberately there in the movie - but the fact is, many people apparently are not inclined/sensitive to see things unless they are explicitly spelled out for them...
If they are going to redeem him (which I'm certain the end goal is), they simply made their job harder by not leaving those things in...

 

It seemed anything that took away his "evil" from the novelization was left out of the movie.

 

I just wanted to explain a bit how Kylo Ren is my favorite character and yet I still find him creepy (as I've mentioned a few times in this thread), because I find myself kind of vacillating between the two perspectives.

There's a part of me that looks at the movie sort of removed, sitting in a comfy movie theater chair or at home on my couch. This me looks at the movie as a piece of art/drama, and this me looks at Kylo Ren and sees Han and Leia's beloved son and the bigger picture.

Then there's the other part of me who puts myself in Rey's shoes, or imagines my young daughter in her place. This me is not amused.

So when we get to Takadona, here's the two me's:

Me1: Here comes Kylo Ren, fighting off those blaster shots kinda effortlessly. Dang, he looks cool. How does he not trip over those robes? OK, there's the cool freeze thing. Did he just check Rey out? What an obnoxious, conceited pig. I think he just sniffed her! (What a doofus.) Wait--what? Bridal carry? Oooh, now there's a dramatic twist. How are they gonna work that out? If this means romance, they have got their work cut out for them to make him romance-worthy. Guess I better buy my ticket for the redemption train early before they sell out. Did my favorite OT character ever, Han, just blow off Finn's concern for Rey? I guess he's pretty stunned with the thought of seeing both Leia and Ben on the same day.

Me2 (same scenes): Oh my gosh, Rey looks scared. Kylo Ren is terrifying, with the all-black and being so big and the mask and the crazy lightsaber! She must be so frightened, being completely powerless. Did he just TOUCH her? Get your hands off her, you monster! He's taking her back with him? What is he going to do to her? I completely agree with Finn screaming, "Rey!" Did Han just blow off his concern for her? *punches Han in the mouth in my imagination* SOMEBODY GO SAVE THAT GIRL FROM THAT CREEPER OR DO I HAVE TO DO IT MYSELF?!

And don't even get the two me's started on the interrogation scene and "you still want to kill me"...

I really need Ben Solo to redeem himself before I develop deep personality issues.

 

Yep. Especially if Han hasn't really seen Ben in years and years... I wonder if he's ever seen him in the Kylo Ren duds and the mask, or he'd just heard the stories?

 

I did not feel afraid for Rey either. - we know she can handle herself...and it was quite obvious that Kylo did not want to harm her.
I'm not having a split personality issues with Kylo somehow regarding his scenes with Rey. They are from two enemy factions. Rey has already involved herself with the Rebellion (via BB8 and befriending the traitor) and I see Kylo's behaviour towards her as dealing with someone who has put themselves in his path. He wants the droid so that he can get the map to the First jedi temple. This is his mission and Rey somehow got involved in that mission. So in this context whatever Kylo is doing is justifiable behaviour from his point of view.

About Han's reaction. It was very understandable that he will be more shaken to have seen his son rather than concerned about a stranger he has just met...
In the script there is one passage that says that Han is very relieved to see that Rey is safe when they spot her climbing in Starkiller Base

"Chewie MURMURS his relief. Han is maybe more
grateful than anyone."​

and I have seen some even speculating that this line is a "proof" that he thinks she is his lost daughter, but I think Han's relief is on behalf of his son. He is relieved that Ben did not harm her...

 

I didn't know about that line. That is fantastic. I thought it was telling that Han didn't ask Rey if Kylo hurt her, but it's neat that he's still on Ben's side, as it were. Maybe even isn't surprised...?

 

Yes, exactly! He has watched Kylo carry her (bridal style as it were), which we have analysed has its connotation that this is the gentlest way to carry anyone, if not anything else...so Han's relief is indeed that (as Leia has told him already before he left for SKB) that there is still light in him...

(Finn on the other hand asks Rey directly if Kylo has hurt her which is a question she BTW leaves unanswered...Also at this point Finn surely doesn't know that Kylo is Han's son...and he has seen him in action and knows what he is capable of, vis Lor San Tekka...so he doesn't expect that rey would be unharmed whereas Han at least on some level apparently does...)

 

Hahaha... awesome. Totally fair points, all.

I mean, it's true, we view this stuff through the lens of our own experiences, tastes, expectations, etc. I never once saw Rey as a victim, even when incapacitated - and maybe that says more about me than about her?

I like women who can stand toe-to-toe with any aggressor, so that's what I saw.
I like redemption arcs, so that's what I saw.
I like complicated, initially-antagonistic romances, so that's what I saw. (Yep, guilty!)

 

Completely agree and feel this. It's so much fun. I love this character so much. He is so complex and interesting. Feel worried for Rey too, but I like that character as well, as soon as I figured her out.
Also, I think Han was more in his own personal shock than anything, in the abduction scene. Sees that transporter and it's like he can't wait to get to it as well.

 

Great Answer. He WANTS to be feared so badly. The mask, the dark side.. This is all part of him demanding respect and fear of him. Come to think of it, he is constantly asking for people to fear him that don't from the first scene until the last.

Kylo: I will show you the dark side..
Max Von Sydow: You may try (as he smirks at him)

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Kylo gets in Poe Dameron's face and tries to intimidate him with his sinister silence-
Poe Dameron: So, who talks first? You talk first? I talk first? ...It's just hard to understand with the whole mask..

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I could go on, Rey's reversal mind read, "you're afraid you'll never be as powerful as Darth Vader'. His father(Han) is not afraid of him. Even General Hux pushes back at Kylo Ren quite a bit(though under the safety net of Snoke's respect).. but most scenes are a hint that Kylo has not made his presence in the galaxy as a total threat quite yet.. I believe it's partly because his pull to the light that people sense a conflict within him (Like Luke confidently confronting Vader about his inner conflict without much fear). This makes Kylo most dangerous because he is doubted so much and now even more so that he got punked by Rey.

 

Yeah. Welcome.

what does that supposed to mean? Clone trooper, I want your serial number, it will be submitted to command. Sanitation duty for two weeks.