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"You still want to kill me...." What does Kylo Ren mean?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by FN-3263827, Jan 23, 2016.

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    Of course. I don't think she does feel anything "romantic" either. At least not consciously...yet. But, it's pretty obvious he is already quite fallen for her (pun intended), so to speak...;)
     
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    Wait who Kylo seen or Poe Dameron .
     
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    ?

    EDIT: "?" as in "what do you mean". Do not understand the sentence. Makes no grammatical sense I'm afraid...
     
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    hahaha ~ yes, his social skills could use a lot of improvement, couldn't they?

    i think the "romance" aspect isn't quite there in them, but it seems to be telegraphed for the audience. yeah, with the hair and carrying and whatnot. he's fascinated by her because he's lonely. but that's not really an attraction per se. not a overtly sexual one anyway. not yet.

    i sorta had this reaction too. i was very convinced Rey was Luke's kid at the very first, but i don't feel it anymore. i don't know if it's going to go full-blown kissy romance, but i do think there's going to be more between them than a familial bond. for exactly the reason you state: bringing balance to the force.

    if not, JJ misfired by making their first scene so subtextually erotic. if they're related, that's gonna be weird. we don't need a callback to the whole Luke and Leia thing! hahaha

    she does seem more angry and wary, but she does give him a couple side glances when he reveals his face. the book describes her reaction as being surprised by his compassion, i think. it's definitely not a romantic thing at this stage. but then Leia and Han kinda hated each other the first time they met (and that was even under much better circumstances ~ hahaha).

    i agree there are subtle glances, but not yet convinced there's sparks (other than the bad kind at the moment).

    say more about the face thing. i'm not picking up any particular subtext on that other than putting him down like a dog. hahaha
     
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    Rey is into bad boys .
     
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    Well, my "psychoanalytical analysis" about her slashing his face is that she found that she liked it and she was angry with herself for that as she was enraged with him - hence the revenge slashing sort of saying "You think you are good-looking huh, let me make you less good-looking then"...Female psychology is that...(I would have done precisely that for someone I found attractive despite what I think about him and we were in that universe having to fight with lightsabers, that is...). I also think it is the same psychology behind her telling him "You are a monster". She knows she will hurt him and she does it because she knows it.
    These two are very interesting to watch. She hates him without doubt, but she is also a bit confused even as of now...The thing with attraction is that your body tells you something and your mind may say the opposite. They already have a lot in common. Kylo understands her loneliness and despair, because he is also lonely, also he knows about the force and since we know that during the fight she was already heavily tempted by the Dark side she may find a way to relate to his conflict...Not to say, that she also managed to see in his mind...I think in ep. 8 they will both be able to sense each other, possibly even from a distance...Something happened in that interrogation that will evolve...At least that's my take...
     
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    thanks for explaining about the face. i'm not sure i feel like it was deliberate, but i can totally see it from that perspective.

    there's definitely an "attraction" between them, though it's not romantic. just so obviously the Force pulling them together/pushing them apart. and yes, they share a sense of loneliness. and he sooo resents her affection for his father.

    and that's an interesting point too: Rey is attracted to Han as a father figure. i suspect Ben and Han are more alike than different (if you got Ben out of the Kylo Ren mode). not sure where i am going with that, but it adds another interesting layer to their dynamic.
     
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    I agree. I think Ben has a lot of Han in him, that is why he is so conflicted about his father (He says was "weak and foolish like his father" when he says he has "destroyed" Ben) . But it is a lot of other Han's qualities that I think Ben has. And I'm sort of hoping we will somehow see those...I'm really very sorry that the scene where Kylo entered the Millennium Falcon on SKB and "has a moment" there in his father's ship was deleted in the final cut...That would have been very important scene to keep. From the other deleted scenes I know about, to delete that one was a mistake...

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    Also to add to your previous comments. No "kissy romance" no, but intense, conflicted feelings that are surprising, unexpected and intense would be good I think...And Kylo has shown he doesn't lack snarky humor ("The droid...stole a freighter?", etc.) so I wouldn't mind to see that play out, but I frankly don't see how exactly...But for instance, Kylo and Rey could find themselves alone somewhere and have to work together to survive and despite Rey's animosity she sees him in a more normal light and they have a chance to interact...(The situation when Han and Leia had to hide in the asteroid field was sort of a crucial pause for establishing the romance between them...Leia was still snarky when they entered the asteroid field but by the end Han had already "cornered" her and kissed her and basically made her admit her feelings for him to herself...something like that...)
     
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    They're basically FORCED to work together in order to survive ...
     
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    Yes, exactly.

    (Sorry I can't rate posts still. Apparently I need to make 30 posts to have the right to rate posts...)
     
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    (In the amount of time you've been on this site when I first joined, I had already amassed roughly 301 posts)
     
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    i'm guessing they cut the Falcon scene for pacing (they cut a lot from the ending ~ like the snowspeeder chase too). but yeah. i hope we get to see that scene in an extended version at some point. it would be cool to see how Driver plays it. with the same vulnerable ambivalence, i suspect, but i'd still love to see it.

    and yes, exactly about the snark. he does it to Hux too: "they're highly skilled at defecting" or whatever he says in that moment when he's baiting him. that's Han all over. and Leia!

    and i totally agree that if they throw Ren and Rey in a situation together, they'll absolutely figure it out.
     
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    There will never be "An extended Version" if JJ Abrams has anything to do with it .
     
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    Unfortunately yes, JJ Abrams has already been asked about it and said that there will be no extended cut. The deleted scenes will be added separately...
     
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    Which is normal but yeah .
     
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    never say never! ha ~

    well at least the deleted scenes will be added. i'm good with that. so hopefully we'll get to see it in some fashion, even if it's rough.
     
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    Actually you're gonna have to say "never" because the standard law for movies is that the director usually gets "first refusal rights" to any and all forms of "Directors cuts" and first edits .
     
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    The thing is, if the deleted scenes are not in a official cut of the movie, are they canon? Hm...(There is also that scene with Maz using the Force on some troopers which would have changed things a lot about what we know about the Force and its users...)
     
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    They are canon...all it means is that we filled in the blanks in our heads since SW happens in real time we don't see every minute detail of the lives and world of SW .
     
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