After seeing the movie, do you believe Snoke = Darth Plagueis

Here I guess, someone who read the novels.

 

As I type this, 13 votes for each option. Wow, hahaha.

I honestly was very underwhelmed by Snoke, and if they want to make him Plagueis, fine, if not, fine. Who cares. The whole execution fell flat for me, but didn't affect how much I liked the movie.

 

It's impossible that he's not Plagueis, there's no way the could not make him be. He seems extremely old, he suffered some kind of trauma, he knows much more about the force than we have ever seen (his apprentice freezes blaster in the air, freezes people, reads minds, we know the last two where possible but hadn't seen much of that in the movies, and the first one is completely new), and the freaking soundtrack "Palpatine's Teachings" and "Snoke" both by JW are exactly the same in the first two minutes... Who could be so old and at the same time so powerful on the force that we haven't seen before?

Also, given his trauma I wouldn't be so sure that he's not a Muun, but that's not really relevant, it could be a kind-of-Muun species created just to don't spoil everything so fast for the fans.

And also, it would make a lot of sense, it would explain the "to create life" in the Palpatine's story (why would he tell that detail if Anakin is interested in saving Padme not in creating a new being), it would explain why there's no balance in the force, and it would explain how the most powerful Jedi got his apprentice (and nephew) seduced by the Dark Side, got defeated, realized that it was way over his head and flee to wait and keep training.

At this point, with all the things they have done: if he is not Darth Plagueis then is the worst writing ever and the new trilogy makes no sense. The fact that he is or he isn't is my frontier between loving or hating this new trilogy.

 

I'm still a believer that Snoke is Plagueis, however I'm slightly less confident because Maz Mentioned the Sith as an old form of the same evil. Suggesting that the Sith are no more.

Perhaps Plagueis has denounced the Sith way after his apprentice murdered him in his sleep.

 

I haven't been with the Snoke = Plagueis crowd but the similarities are there. 1) Kylo Ren refers to him as wise. 2) How did Kylo Ren know that Luke's blue saber ever belonged to Luke? (Although he doesn't say this, he wants the saber, for some reason) 3) How would Kylo Ren know about Clone Troopers? Maybe Luke or Han and Leia mentioned it when telling him about the past? 4) The scars on Snoke's head, perhaps from an assassination attempt, which was possibly even successful. 5) Finally, the most eerily similar almost identical music themes of them. Play 'Palpatine's Teachings' and 'Snoke' at the same time, there's literally almost no difference...

 

There's definitely something hidden about him. We can't take what we saw at face value. I'd like it to be Plagueis in order to tie the saga together and not just have some new bad guys thrown in5o the mix.

This is meant to be the Skywalker saga and Plagueis was supposedly the true father of the Skywalkers. The opera scene was also about the only good part of the entire prequel garbage. So it would be nice to bring it full circle.

 

I don't think he's Plagueis and never have. This "rumor" only gained traction because of the early concept art that some people thought resembled Plagueis (but now that we've seen the movie, it's obvious that the art was an early stage of the Rey-Finn-Kylo fight and not connected to Snoke at all). The rumor has changed and twisted over the past year as people struggle to hold onto reasons to believe in Plagueis with no evidence to back it up. There's nothing in the film that leads me to think Snoke is a Sith. And as far as we know, Plagueis died in his sleep, unable to save himself from Palpatine's treachery.

Making Snoke turn out to be a supposedly long-dead Sith would just open up a can of worms and demand more explanation than required to tell a good story. Snoke works better as a new enemy, IMO, and his Dark Side philosophy doesn't seem identical to the Sith. Plus, from the novelization, we learn that he'd corrupted Ben in such a way that Leia and Han noticed and sent their son to Luke. They knew that Snoke had been after Ben since birth. An underground Sith lord would probably try to avoid attracting the attention of the Skywalker/Solo family. Even clumsy Palpatine was somehow smooth enough to hide his Dark Side influence (and the seduction of Anakin) from the Jedi.

People are like, "Snoke's old and wise, so he must be Plagueis." But that makes no sense to me. Plagueis doesn't own "old and wise" as character traits anymore than Maz or Yoda. He was mentioned once or twice in a single movie and doesn't have enough relevance to deserve such a resurrection. The only important connection to the narrative that Plagueis could even have is that he possibly created Anakin. That still doesn't make him important enough to be the Big Bad of the new trilogy. There's no emotional investment with the character to justify the work required to bring him back to life.

Most importantly of all ... this whole idea began as nothing more than mistaken guesswork regarding preproduction art. That's it. Just some people guessing about art. It wasn't even art of Snoke; it was a rough draft of Kylo. There's been no evidence at all to indicate Plagueis is Snoke at all. People liked the idea when they heard it, and they are sticking to it no matter what.

 

What was the clone army reference? I have missed it twice.

 

I hope Snokes tiny in real life. Tiny man in tiny throne.

 

Was the damage we see on Snoke's face caused by Sidious when he "murdered" him?

 

When Kylo is ripping into Hux about FInn's defection, Kylo says something like, "Obviously, some of your troops are skilled at high treason. Perhaps Leader Snoke should consider using another clone army.”

 

Well, if he's not Plagueis, JJ & Co are going out of their way for some serious misdirection.

 

Although I was initially intrigued by the idea that he could be Plagueis, I now don't really think he is. And I don't really care as long as he gets more development in EP8 and 9 (if he makes it that far). I actually don't mind him as villain.

We don't really see much of him and it allows for curiosity in the character to grow. Think of it this way. If you were new to SW and you saw the movies starting from Ep.1 would you really have much of an opinion to form on Sidious based on his appearances through holograms? No, of course not. Same thing with Snoke.

 

I think it is likely that Snoke is using a hologram because he is actually, in real life, a much smaller person, one who could insinuate himself into the social circles of the Solo family and the Jedi Academy without being noticed or seem suspect. The height and hologram are meant for him to be much more menacing in appearance than he actually is.

I also think he is Plaguies

 

Now I believe Snoke to be a malnutritioned crusty Orc.. I have always believed Snoke to either be Plagueis, or under Plagueis or working towards resurrecting him.. I'm now hoping that somehow Del Toro saves this as a true intimidating villain. So either Del Toro is Maul just cause Mauls a bad man. Or Del Toro's the real threat and what they ALL should be afraid of, and that's including Snoke and Kylo. And yet that leaves only one other possibility, one so dark and sinister that would truely tie it all together, that supreme intellect whos been the true Master behind it all since the beginning, Drop Dead Fred...

 

Let's put here some actual data.

1) This is The Force Awakens OST, snoke theme:

2) This is the scene in Revenge of the Sith where Darth Sidious tells the Darth Plagueis legend:

The 'opera' music in the background is clearly the same (with different tune) as the Snoke theme.

3) Revenge of the Sith OST:

There are no such big coincidences in our galaxy far far away if not for a reason.
So, for me, Snoke = Plagueis with no doubt.

What a big easter-egg for us fans of the whole saga

 

There's also an extra line in the novelization when Snoke tells Kylo how he watched the rise and fall of the Galactic Empire... so he's been lurking in the shadows for a while, waiting for the time to strike.

Given that the Plaegueis = Muun thing is not canon, there's really no reason why he isn't, aside from claims that he is an all new character.

Would Plagueis still be considered a Sith after his "resurrection" as Snoke?

 

I don't really understand why snoke being referred to as "wise" must mean that he is darth plagueis...is he the only wise dark side user in the galaxy?

 

Heres how Snoke is described in the novelization:

"Tall and gaunt, he was humanoid but not human. The hood of the dark robe he wore was down, leaving visible a pink, pale face so aged it verged on translucence. Poorly reconstructed, the broken nose added to the asymmetry of the damaged visage. So did the position of the left eye, which was situated lower than the right. Beneath wispy gray eyebrows, they were a startling cobalt blue. Long since healed over, old cuts and wounds marred the chin and forehead, the latter scar being particularly noteworthy."

The one character I remember having cobalt blue eyes was Prelate Verge in the novel Battleground: Twilight Company. I don't think its him, I just find that shared quality an interesting detail.