After seeing the movie, do you believe Snoke = Darth Plagueis

I don't get why so many people say that being named "wise" is some sort of a proof or argument that Snoke=Plagueis, just as there can be only one "wise" master in the galaxy. Yoda was also wise, so was he Plagueis too?

 

"Yes." - Kylo Ren

I definitely thought this possibility was gone forever during the whole Collider fake confirmation BS.
Now that I've seen the movie, and seen how his character is depicted, the truly ancient quality he has, the way the novelization makes it clear that he lived through the rise and fall of the Empire... I strongly feel that he may in fact be Darth Plagueis.

 

Who knows? In Canon, there is nothing that says Darth Plagueis that says he is a Muun. Maybe the writers changed this up so it is not a dead giveaway.

Also, remember that magazine that supposedly published a sketch of Snoke that looked like a Muun. Just goes to show you what people do for attention.

 

Kinda feels like they've gone out of their way to missdirect fans if infact he is not Plaguis.
Since there is no canon (afaik) information that says he was a muun, then why not ? Maybe he did find a way to cheat death and hide his presence from Palpatine all that time, conflicts with the rule of two ofcourse but the Sith seem to have a bit of a grey area type deal with that rule

My understanding/interpretation of the evidence at hand is that Snoke is a very powerful being anyhow
so either way there's very exciting times ahead and im positively thrilled!

 

It would all be very interesting if he didn't look like something from a computer game.

 

I would say: I hope he is, otherwise it would be just crazy that after 30 years all this darkness is again there.... There has to be a stronger source that has been active since before TPM.

 

For arguments sake lets say Plaguis was a Munn before Palpatine presumably killed him. Theoretically could he either come back from the dead or transform himself into another species other than a Munn? It would be interesting and a smart move on his part. Theres nothing that says the presence a individual has in the force is specific to a certain race.

 

Ya, he is Plaguies

 

The name says it all, and sorry to all the Plagueis haters, but we who spread the plague do indeed have evidence to support our arguments, theories that happen to fit the facts, and coincidences that MIGHT suggest a Plagueis connection. The theory that Plagueis would be in the ST predates the early concept art of TFA by about ten years ( I believe you may be able to find an old thread on theforce.net) as many fans speculated GL would indeedmake ep 7-9 and have DarthPlagueis the antagonist mere days after seeing ROTS, saying it was obvious Palpatine was refering to his master.

 

The similarities between the musical score are pretty compelling. I don't find much else relating to this theory to be so, however.

 

I think it is less JJ misdirection and more hardcore fan caused misdirection

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I to agree their are similarities but to me it doesn't translate to Plagueis. To counter debate, the piece is "Palpatine's Teachings" not Plaguies' theme... It could be considered just a "dark sider" theme... the force has a theme, why not the darkside? They could just use a similar theme for both Palpatine and Snoke because they are both dark side teachers

Wise is a single word, not owned by anyone. Yoda was wise... if you are subjugating yourself as a pupil to a presumably higher form, I would certainly hope you considered them wise!!!!

Snoke may end up being Plaguies or he could be anyone else. Of the evidence being used, I think most is just circumstantial with a lot being read into it.... just as before, many translated the Snoke description to having to be a Munn

 

I'm going with no, but it would be cool if he was.

My biggest reason for no is why hide his own name. Why not call himself Darth Plagueis and pass the Darth title to Kylo as well. If he was Darth Plagueis, there is only two people he would want to hide from, possibly three... the first two are Vader and Palpatine who know who he is and would want him dead... but at this point those two have been dead thirty years. Luke would be the third person, but Luke wouldn't recognize the name, just the title... and I don't think Snoke wants to hide from Luke anyways, Snoke wants to find Luke.

The only reason to hide the name would be to keep it from hardcore fans... which is really cheesy and I really don't understand why they would go that far. If it was revealed that he was really Darth Plagueis the whole time, most movie viewers wouldn't get it and it really wouldn't make sense storywise.

 

I wonder if Snoke is not an ancient Sith, long exiled and inadvertently liberated by an Imperial exploratory team post Endor...He then fills the void left by Palpatine's destruction and creates a fanatical First Order.

 

I agree completely that the similarities are likely a Dark Side thematic. It was enough to give me pause but only for a moment. The other "evidence" in favor of Plaguies is sorely lacking.

 

I have said before the movie that Snoke is not Plagueis and nothing yet has changed my mind.

 

I was intrigued to hear both Han and Leia talk about Snoke. I keep wondering how much they know about him, have they ever encountered him before? If they know about him, Luke will also.

I have been a strong believer in the Snoke is Plagueis theory. Ive got to admit that I was disappointed when it wasnt revealed in TFA, I really was hoping there would be something that screamed 'I AM PLAGUEIS' at me. Now that I have seen the film, I realised I am more ok with Snoke not being Plagueis than I thought. However I would still like him to be.

 

If I've learned anything about John Williams Star Wars music, it is that the score wether overt or subtle, consistently tells and reinforces the story in precise ways. John Williams doesn't make arbitrary decisions. The fact that Snoke's theme mirrors the music used during the Plagueis legend in Sith is not coincidence. I mean c'mon the film scores don't lie!
And think of this, with Maz they have established legitimate grounds for introducing new characters with ancient history's and incredibly long lifespans. With Maz, we see a timeline that outdoes even Master Yoda. Could this be preparing us to accept another similarly ancient yet newly created/canon character? For me, Snoke is likely Plagueis until further evidence shows otherwise.

 

We have to keep in mind that all we have right now are opinions. There is no real "evidence" of "proof" or anything like that. While it's ok to have a constructive discussion, it's also funny to see some members gaining an almost religious faith that Snoke=Plagueis. If that's indeed the screenwriters idea - then you're lucky, you're right. But if not - please don't end up like those who still believe in "indoctrination theory" of Mass Effect ending

 

The Sifo Dyas mystery is explained in the cartoon I believe, and I always thought it was quite obvious that Count Dooku, a former Jedi master, basically went in and erased Kamino from the records before he left the Jedi, especially since no Jedi had heard of it before Dax told Obi Wan what it was. I think the wise bit was some heavy Plagueis foreshadowing, and you can't ignore the mention of clones, the music that's only played in the opera scene, after Mace is killed, and in VI when Palpatine is trying to turn Luke. That specific music or similar music is only played those three times in the other movies, and I don't see how there wouldn't be a connection between Snoke, Palpatine, and the Plagueis story. My guess is that Plagueis created Anakin, so as Snoke he uses that to turn Kylo to the dark side ("I am your great grandfather!") and want to kill Luke as revenge for Vader. It's probable that he also eliminated the rule of two and that he's now the only Sith, with the Knights of Ren serving under him. Kylo may also be on the path to becoming Sith when we come in, though he's not yet a full Sith.

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For those of you talking about coincidence, there is no coincidence when it comes to Star Wars. The fact that that music is used very rarely and only in relation to Palpatine and/or Plagueis's story and power specifically is pretty compelling to me. He has similar features to a Muun, and due to age and injury could just look deformed. He may also be a different species. Then there's Kylo's use of the word wise. "My master is wise." Not "my master is powerful," or "my master is strong," but "my master is wise." What other Sith has been described as wise in anything canonical? Not even Palpatine is, and he's the strongest, most knowledgeable Sith or dark sider we've seen thus far. The use of wise instead of powerful was very deliberate, and I think the reference to clones is also a little nudge to make you think of prequels, but it being a joke throws you off at first. Plagueis in the EU is the one who funded the clone army, so perhaps that's still canon. Everything related to Snoke in the movie nudges anyone who remembers Plagueis toward Snoke being him, and nothing in the movie makes it any less possible than it ever has been. They're wasting a huge opportunity and needlessly throwing people off if it's not Plagueis.