After seeing the movie, do you believe Snoke = Darth Plagueis

Read Weapon of a Jedi the new canon book it gives you hints to Who Snoke is. It is Sarco The Scavenger And the Staff Rey has in the Movie is the Staff of Sarco the Scavenger Staff

 

I have thought that it's possible when Sidious did make his move against Plageuis and Plageuis had to invoke his own power on himself,Plageuis decides to abandon the Sith order and remake it ?

 

I think people should remember, that the Sith are an order, with certain philosophies and ideals.
If Snoke is indeed Plagueis, I imagine he's found a different path, and has distanced himself from the Sith (part of the reason for the new name).

Essentially, the Sith got themselves killed by their own greed and lust for power. The rule of two didn't start the Sith down a path of self-annihilation... it just ensured that it wouldn't be their end, and would allow their Order to continue that way.
Assuming Snoke did find something else, he would have no reason to try and rebuild the Sith.

I can imagine him saying something in VIII or IX along the lines of "in a previous life, I was known as Darth Plagueis, but the Sith were weak and foolish..."

That's some funny stuff.
"Sarco Plank - An eyeless insectoid member of the Melitto species, Sarco Plank is an amoral scavenger"
They also had someone in costume as the character for scenes filmed on Jakku (although I don't know if you can spot him anywhere in the movie)

Snoke is definitely not Sarco Plank.

 

Thank God that Snoke was not 25 feet tall. When I first saw him I was like " This is going to create some problems" but it faded away as a hologram . Where do you think Snoke was during all of this?

 

If Bane could reorganize the Sith, so could Plagueis. He and Palpatine had essentially already thrown out the rule of two when they took on Maul and Dooku to do their dirty work before Palpatine became Chancellor. Plagueis is likely the only Sith, with Kylo as a possible apprentice and the Knights of Ren a tool of the Sith led by Kylo. I'm sure only Hux and Kylo are allowed to have any contact with Plagueis and I'm betting they're the only people who've interacted in person with him and are still alive. Maybe he's using Kylo to lead the Ren and intends to turn Luke or Rey over to him as Sith to replace Kylo, explaining Han's line about Kylo being used and then crushed when no longer needed.

 

Just bare with me a moment. Perhaps Plagueis concluded that the Sith had fundamental flaws in their philosophy that even a massive restructuring couldn't fix... perhaps their view of the Force was too limited?

Think of it like the Catholic Church and the protestants.
When Henry VIII didn't agree with the Catholic theology on divorce, he started his own branch of Christianity....

What if Plagueis' plan all along was to destroy the Sith, and establish/reestablish an entirely different dark side sect?

It's kind of like in the novel, where Kylo praises the Supreme Leader's teachs, but then Snoke says "The finest sculptor cannot fashion a masterpiece from poor materials. He must have something pure, something strong, something unbreakable, with which to work."

 

This line of thinking is not far from what Plagueis said in the Legends novel, that Bane's RoT was effectively dead. He planned to rule indefinitely.... so if in fact, Palpatine tried to kill him and Plagueis returned from death, I can see him doing three things.... changing his name, gaining control over another group of pawns and training new accolytes to further his cause. Snoke, Hux with the remnant of the Empire along with Kylo and the Knights of Ren(I'm still hoping for a Rhen Var connection) hits all three nails on the head.

 

EIther in the Unknown regions which is probably the new political head of the first order, or if he is related to the sith, he could be on Moruband.

 

I hope all the bad guys still call it Korriban. For Revan's sake.

 

I don't really feel strongly one way or the other on this, but the main thing that stops me from saying he is Plagueis is that they have continuously called him Snoke. Sure it could be a first name or title or something, but that reveal wouldn't mean anything to maybe 90% of the audience. These movies are also about getting a new generation of fans and I just don't see how that would go over.

"Perhaps you know me by another name....Plagueis"
"Who?"
"You know, that guy who Palpatine referenced that one time who hoped to cheat death"
"Ok...."
"Yeah, so I succeeded and I'm that guy"
"Good for you?"

 

Disney erased all the books as being canon the only canon are the episodes them self .that also mean the only canon for Plaugeis is episode 3 when Sidious said He killed him in the Movie Snoke Did Not Look like Plagueis He is most likely his own character

 

Not quite so. Since canon was reset, new novels, comics, cartoons, etc are now canon. Plagueis is referred to in the canon book Tarkin. It's not much , but it's there. Tarkin refers back to the old Plagueis book (written by the same author).

 

Watched ROTS again and after seeing TFA the "opera" scene with Palpatine talking to Anakin really resonates. Plageius was most afraid of one thing - losing his power - and only then was Palpatine able to kill him in his sleep. But what if, as is hinted by the title of the film, he was able to come back, to awake? Palpatine said that his old master could cheat death, what if he became the Dark Side version of a force ghost? What if that was not a hologram, or a hologram of a force ghost?

 

JJ Abrams and Kathleen Kennedy Said Snoke is his own Character and not Plagueis. they also said Kylo Ren and the Knights of Ren Are not Sith

 

Henry VIII is a bad example since all he changed was who heads their church, but I know what you're saying. I don't really agree though. The Sith don't really have many strict rules except to exert power, use emotions to fuel said power, and of course be bad in general, all in an effort to crush the Jedi and rule the galaxy. Bane added the rule of two, but any Sith down the line could have just eliminated that whenever they felt like it, and really upon achieving power they'd have probably gotten rid of it in time anyways. Palpatine has the inquisitors and whatnot as underlings to the Sith, I'm guessing that's what the Ren are for Snoke.

If the only canon is a story from a known liar and manipulator who only said that he killed the guy, you can't know anything about what he looks like, so that's not valid.

They never said anything about him being Plagueis or not, they only said that the Ren aren't Sith. If Kylo is the head of the Ren, that means Snoke can be and likely is Sith. It also doesn't mean Kylo can't eventually become Sith or whatever it is Snoke is.

 

JJ also flat out said Cumberbatch was not playing Khan in star trek so I wouldn't pay too much attention to that.


I've seen and read some things lately that would lead me to believe it is Plagueis, and I hope it is because he's a great character. The musical clue in TFA when he first appears is a big one, but there's other reasons too. And while Plagueis is Canon, him being a Muun no longer is, he can be any species they want him to be.

 

You can't always go by themes. When Rey hugs Leia, the Han and Leia theme is playing. So if you believe that Snoke's theme indicates he is Plagueis, then you must say that Rey must be Han and Leia's daughter.

 

Snoke is in my opinion Darth Plagueis.

 

No, because according to Episode III, Darth Plagueis is dead, killed by his apprentice while he slept.

 

One must trust the story teller, if one is to believe that Darth Plagueis is dead.

The film offers no proof outside of Palpatine's tale.

Same guy said that he loved democracy....

Before creating an Empire.