SPOILER Andy Serkis Character Revealed?

Clearly he is playing a post op Mon Mothma.

 

I've just learned Biggs is dead on another thread, I feel depressed.
Why Biggs Why? You are tearing meeeee apart!!!!!!

 

I think the bigger thing they will have to do, after making a villain that can top or at least be equal to Vader or Palpatine, is to explain: What the hell the sith were doing all this time arround? 1000 years it's a lot of Time, so, the best explanation for a new sith master is really the master of palpatine, if it's plagueis or not, this is just a detail. And put some kind of diferent nature on this caracther will tie things, the PT, the OT and everything. Andy serkis role is without a shadow of a doubt the most misterious character in this movie and trilogy, and i really like this mistery. Bring back the old Heroes or make new ones is much more easy.

 

Heading into the OT the Empire with their leader Darth Sidious were presumed to be unchallenged and have supreme manpower, firepower, and tactical advantage. So during this time period who did Darth Sidious fear? It certainly wasn't the Jedi or the small group of "Rebels". He already had Star Destroyers and Super Star Destroyers so without any real challenge to his power why would he want to build the Death Star?

My personal favorite theory is that Darth Sidious (with having great sight into future events) did so because he was aware of an outside threat that he felt was greater than him. Which I believe could be hinted at in the opening crawl or through dialogue in the TFA.

I speculate that Serkis's character will not be a Sith because of three reasons:
A. We've seen plenty of Siths in the previous 6 films, the EU, the Clone Wars, video games, Rebels, etc.
B. JJ is highly regarded for his creativity and boldness.
C. If there's any credibility to the main villain in TFA "makes Pazuzu look like a pussy", then I think logically that this would imply a new threat.

Now don't get me wrong, I'd still love to see a Sith presence but having a third threat for both Jedi and Sith to fear rather than each other, would add greater depth to Star Wars in general.

 

I have yet to see any Yuuzhan Vong references after reading many threads from start to finish. After briefly looking at their description again some things match the rumors was are making suppositions with.

This is an edit based on a photo posted on this site and some info from Wookieepedia. Most of the info does not match but this could be part of being able to cherry pick things from the EU. The Yuuzhan Vong invasion happens at the same time as the ST (25-29 ABY) and they like to graft organs from other creatures. A huge fact that doesn't jive is that they are absolutely against machine technology. There are "shamed ones" that have fallen from grace for not living up to the standards of their society but it would be a stretch end up using light sabers and becoming cyborgs. Look at this photo below:
Check out these Yuuzhan Vong physical traits: pointed ears, grey skin, usually no hair, blue bags under the eyes. They also have snub noses that look skull like and that fits with some of the grave robber photos.

If the above photo is Klyo Ren and Andy Serkis will be an uber bad guy that makes Darth shader look meek than perhaps it will be some sort of spin on the Yuuzhan Vong.

 

It wasn't until just before ANH that the emperor was able to disband the senate. It is fresh news in ANH. This suggests that during the time between ROTS and ANH the Empire did have to put its boot down. Apparently during this time the "in it for the people" Emperor was losing the PR war hence the reference that the bureaucracy was part of the power structure. I think this translate to loosely meaning "without the illusion of, and tedious slow-moving work of the Senate they feared that they would loose control. The first regional governors were given direct control, meaning regional governors need to keep their people in line brutally. When that fails rather than moving many ships and prepping full scale invasion forces, they would send a weapon of fear and power. Use it once no one will screw with us again. The Empire nor the emperor were as omnipotent as they wanted you to think.

I am not saying that there couldn't be a new threat I am just saying it would come from out of the blue.

 

I don't remember seeing all off his quote in the online EW, but only part of it. But the new EW has some more of it. Sorry if it was all posted and I just missed that part, but besides some very cool Art in the article, Serkis said this, "He can't reveal much about who(or what) he's playing,explaining only that his character has been hardened by the celestial battles that have raged all these years". That makes it sound like to me that he wasn't always evil or dark, but the warring made him that way perhaps both mentally and physically(cyborg?Battle damaged?) anyway, the rest was just the part about him playing one character and not having the team of gymnasts behind him. Here's the art also, again sorry if this was posted and I just missed it.

 

That's a paraphrase of a question Serkis responded to because they couldn't fit the whole interview into the magazine. "'He's been though some stuff,' Serkis tells EW" is on page 42 on the magazine. It's from this full online interview.

 

Ah yeah, there it is. I still feel like they may have left out more of it though even on the Online interview since I think they wanted to keep some for the magazine itself. And him saying "He's been through some stuff" hardly is the same as him explaining that "his character has been hardened by the celestial battles that have raged over all these years" which makes me think he said something more than what's in the online interview. If they just added the whole part of being hardened from the wars just from that small sentence he says, I would say that's horrible journalism since that part isn't him explaining anything they put in about the "celestial battles that have raged and all these years ofwars" Thanks for pulling up that link for me though, I couldn't find it.

 

I'm not sure if someone has already posted this theory, but it just came to me when I was reading the MSW post about Kylo Ren being all over the action figure packaging. Here goes, what if Serkis is just providing Kylo Ren's voice when he's wearing the mask, a la James Earl Jones?

Just a thought, and sorry if it's already been suggested!

 

He's actually a character walking around, not just a voice.

 

Yup, you're exactly right @DarthDwight! I knew it was a crazy I-just-woke-up idea

 

@WedgeSalad

Haha..thanks for the chuckle man.It is great to laugh..liberating...haha

 

I do wonder what the voice will be like through the Kylo mask though. A Boba/Jango type thing where it just sounds like its coming through a walkie ? or some full on Vader intensity?

Off topic though.

 

My idea of Serkis right now is that he is some bad guy.But I imagine him to be in the vein of Yoda.But in a way..a very..very Dark side of the force old geezer ...he may not view himself as such..maybe in his view the force is like water and dark and light side are like hot and cold aspects of it...both to be used by a operator of the force ..therefore he is not a Sith..nor a Jedi....because the Jedis and Sith in his view missunderstands the force and end up limiting themselves.I think this..uhm dude will not be seen in much fighting action..at least in this first and maybe second movie.But I think this dude will have a more passive secluded role like Yoda was to Luke.A teacher,mentor and by all means a manipulator with an agenda probably beyond our expectations.I would imagine that he views both Sith and the Jedis as quite cluless to the full extent of the force and how to really harness it and maybe become one with..being one and the same as the force.Imagine what he could do and if Luke is powerfull as has been rumored.This serkis dude would be a challenge and formidable advesary.

 

I know what you mean. The only thing that made me think Andy was doing the voice was because I vaguely remember reading somewhere (I could be wrong) that he was doing a mo-cap role plus another character's voice.

I gotta believe that Kylo's going to have a Vader-like voice in the mask. If that's the case, I feel like that if Driver is indeed Kylo Ren, his talents (plus, some of his draw as a young, hotshot actor) would be a bit squandered. I mean, fans know that David Prowse [sic] was the one in the Vader costume, but most people remember James Earl Jones' voice as the real Vader.

 

But we've possible seen Driver as in pilot gear. Why would we think we're not going to see driver's face? We saw Anakin's in the prequel before he became Vader.

 

Let me preface all this by saying, I know that all this is a wild idea, but I just wanna spark a little discussion

We may've seen Driver's face, but if he is Kylo Ren, "rebel pilot" Driver is the real mask, metaphorically speaking. And Vader didn't actually show up until the very last bit of ROTS because Anakin was still Anakin. Based on what we've seen and heard, Kylo Ren is shaping up to be a pretty major player. For those reasons, if Driver is Kylo Ren, the "rebel pilot/wolf in sheep's clothing" version will probably go away for good by at least the end of TFA (fairly early when you consider there are two more movies after this one). From then on, I believe we'll only get the version with the badass mask with some sort of modulated voice (doesn't have to be Serkis necessarily--Driver could pull a Tom Hardy). So Driver will be relegated to either a guy in a suit with someone else's voice, or if they do use his own voice, he'll be hampered by a mask that'll probably make it difficult to emote to a certain degree. That's why I feel like they'd be squandering him a little bit.

I hope that made sense...

Again, I know it's a wild idea. I'm not wedded to it in the least. I just like the process of speculating

 

Darkness still exists. Luke has been in exile trying to find a way to bring balance to the force. This research is what causes Serkis to "reveal" himself to Luke.

Serkis is not playing a villain in TFA. His character is mysterious and creepy, and will appear much wiser than Luke (possibly even Yoda). He is essentially impartial to the Sith or Jedi and a couple of his actions will show this dichotomy.

MVS is the big baddie.

Just my two cents.

 

So Serkis outdoes Yoda in wisdom,
but wisdom which falls in a gray zone,
rather than the strict boy scout lessons imparted by our little green friend.

I like it.

PLUS IT MAKES MY DREAM OF MVS BEING THE BIG BAD BADDIE EVER SO CLOSER TO REALITY!!

ALL HAIL MING THE MERCILESS!!

HERE'S TO DOUBLE CROSSING DRIVER AND TEACHING HIM A LESSON!!!