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Darth Plagueis In The Sequel Trilogy.

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by BB-Rey, Sep 15, 2014.

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Would you like it if Darth Plagueis was the villain of the Sequel Trilogy?

  1. Yeah! He is a very interesting character!

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  2. No thanks, Plagueis is dead.

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  3. Nope! He never actually existed.

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  4. Yes, but he is in the movie as a corpse.

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  5. He will be mentioned in another "throwaway line" only.

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  6. He is Snoke in disguise.

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  7. Yes, his death was a ruse.

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  8. I don't care either way, brah.

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  9. Of course, who else would you choose?

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  1. BB-Rey

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    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Plagueis

    In the novel Palpatine is his apprentice. Looking over this link again, it looks like it's been updated and it says the Plagueis novel is official canon again.

    Novel and EU aside. George created him and was hands on in the writing of the novel. George listed Plagueis as Palpatine's master.
     
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    That article is the Legends version.
    But on the official Star Wars website, the first image caption, does say Palpatine was Plagueis's apprentice.
    http://www.starwars.com/databank/darth-sidious-biography-gallery

    Besides that, the novel is NOT cannon.
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    Maybe it is, though. Check under the "Appearances" tab under the Darth Plagueis page. It's listed under canon and George was hands on with the novel even more than with usual books. Don't you find it a bit odd Disney would allow any mention of Plagueis in the description of the Tarkin novel if it was nothing more then EU and non-canon? Because they do seem to be avoiding all EU content. This is the only thing they don't seem to be discarding.

    This is interesting. You did tell me it wasn't canon a while back but, could this be where the title "The Ancient Fear" comes from ...

    Book of Sith: Secrets from the Dark Side
    Plagueis possessed his own section in the 2012 reference book Book of Sith: Secrets of the Dark Side, which contained pages of his manuscript on the science of the Force. Book of Sith author Daniel Lewis later confirmed on the official Star Wars blog that Plagueis' Aurebesh mirror writing, combined with an ancient, parchment like appearance to the pages, was a reference to renaissance artist Leonardo De Vinci and his journals.
     
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    Palpatine Thought he killed him, but may have not. As Luke said to him on the death star, "Your over confidence is your weakness".
     
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    I believe Lucas intended for Plagueis to be the villain in Episode VII, but with script changes and story tweaks the Disney gang changed it to Bane, because he is more ancient than Plagueis. I don't believe they have to run everything through Lucas for these films but just get clarifications on certain details.

    I'd love to see George Lucas' reaction when he sees the film and how much they changed.
     
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    This is George's story. He wouldn't have agreed to turn over his treatments if Disney didn't follow what he laid out. George is still very much involved and contacts JJ almost daily or that's what Jett said.



    And ...

    As I think of it, maybe the "Ancient Fear" is one that can overcome death and one who can manipulate the force. Very mythological and physiological. Two things George described the sequels as being in the 80's.
     
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    Under the non-canon page for Plagueis under the Appearances tab it lists the novel as canon. All the information mentioned in the non-canon page for Plagueis is from the novel. Which before the Disney sale was canon.

    The canon page for Plagueis doesn't look as if it's been updated. Important to note it doesn't list Plagueis as a Muun. Plagueis being a Muun came directly from George.

    It's confusing to explain. Haha
     
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    The only released things "officially" called Canon are, all six movies (Episodes I-VI), The Clone Wars TV series and movie, Rebels TV series, Darth Maul-Son of Dathomir comic, A New Dawn novel, and the iOS/Android game Commander. Anything else is up to Disney/LucasFilm Story Group to decide.
     
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    That's what I mean. The novel is listed as canon under the Darth Plagueis non canon page and the information used in the non canon page came directly from George himself in the form of the novel. It looks like they decided that it is and haven't updated the Plagueis page because, they want to keep things a mystery of whom the villain for Episode VII and the sequels is.

    Because, the Palpatine page was updated with information from the Tarkin novel. Maybe they are waiting until the time is right.
     
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    You realize Wookieepedia isn't an Official Star Wars website maintained by LucasFilm right? If the novel is still listed as Canon on the Legends Plagueis character page, it's probably something the moderators for the website missed when updating it to Legends.
     
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    I do. It's interesting you say that because, up until now I had not noticed or seen the book listed as canon until today. There might be something to that. There might not be.

    It feels odd that is one of, if the not the only book that is listed as canon pre-Disney sale.

    They list the ROTS book as legends. That's interesting to note because, George had final say on everything included and what was said and how it was said in the book. Just like the Plagueis book.

    There's a few things pre-Disney that were considered canon but, aren't maybe anymore.

    Wouldn't you consider the ROTS novel canon if George was hands on?
     
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    I think all the novelizations are considered Canon until something contradicts whatever is in the novels.
     
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    That's what the Plagueis book is. Until it gets written over, I think we can safely consider it canon. Especially with George being as hands on as he was with the film novels.

    I just want Plagueis to be the villain. Can you tell? Haha
     
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    The Darth Plagueis novel is NOT a movie novelization....
     
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    I'm not saying it is. Just that George was hands on with it. He usually wasn't that hands on with most material from the EU. He let writers do as they pleased under certain guidelines. This book and the film novels are the exceptions to the rule.

    Remember James Luceno wanted to go a different direction with the book but, was overridden from the top and instead he worked directly with Lucasfilm's word from George to get the book exactly like George wanted it.

    "There are two worlds here," explained Lucas. "There’s my world, which is the movies, and there’s this other world that has been created, which I say is the parallel universe—the licensing world of the books, games and comic books. They don’t intrude on my world, which is a select period of time, [but] they do intrude in between the movies. I don’t get too involved in the parallel universe."

    He made an exception with this novel and was hands on.
     
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    No, only the movie novels. Nothing else. Disney can do whatever they want now.
     
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    That's what I am trying to explain to you. Haha

    The Plagueis novel was written before the sale under George's supervision. So Disney didn't have the power to decide whether it is canon or not before the sale. It was an exception to the novels and was official canon before the sale. So what I am saying, there's a chance that it still is canon until Disney says otherwise under their review.
     
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    LucasFilm rebooted everything besides what I already mentioned. Everything else is not Canon. Until they say so. Just because Lucas himself was involved doesn't mean it is Canon. If that is the case Splinter of the Mind's Eye is also Canon.
     
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    There is no Disney gang. There is the Lucasfilm gang. If there was any change from Plagueis to Bane it was Lucas' own change because either way it's his creation. He created both of them and so whatever background he made could fit the one as well as the other.

    Either way it's a Sith Lord. The possible working titles alone The Ancient Fear leads you more to Bane and then he did appear in TCW once and almost before on Mortis.
     
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