Don't Fall for the Backlash Hype: The Last Jedi is Huge Hit

I honestly think we have mass hysteria both against and for.Film
willl be properly judged in the months and years to come,not today.
Forbes,which was perfect predicting box office of TFA and R1 predicts 1.5 billion for TLJ.So it will be massive success in terms of money.
This however should not justiffy inquisition of criticism,which has unfortunately already taken place.

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robcai...he-worst-holds-of-all-9-star-wars-movies/amp/

TLJ is certainly starting to hurt at the box office. It seems weird to me that some people are so desperately trying to make this the best/worst SW movie ever. Stop pushing an agenda for once and look at the data that's out there. It isn't a massive flop but certainly behind expectations.

 

FFS how many threads do you want to create?

It's like you desperately trying to lie to yourself and convince everybody that this movie is good.

This is really getting Ghostbusters Cringe Level.....

 

The Star Wars franchise is an IP strong enough to pretty much sell anything with the SW logo on it. If VIII for example ( a saga movie) only made as much as R1 or maybe even slightly less it would actually be a huge failure.

 

TLJ ( high probability ) around 1.5 billion.
R1 was 1.1 bln.
TFA 2.1.bln.

 

That’s selective data. It’s the second movie in a trilogy and is having a lower BO than TFA because of it, same with ESB and ANH. The hold is a bad measurement for the same reasons some people are trying to claim it’s failing so early, I’ve refuted this many times so look on this page or the page before for my refutations. It opened way ahead of R1 and is over 30% ahead of it on this date.
It’s second largest domestic opening after TFA.

It’s between R1 and TFA. Bang on expectations, not under it.

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Says someone who obliquely hates the movie. Stop trying to convince everybody this movie is terrible, worse than prequels even. (Maybe not you but others have said this).

Several people on other threads hated the movie, and when I dared say ANYTHING positive about it, reacted with a negative offense like their opinion was fact.

Mine isn’t. Yours isn’t. Opinions are subjective. We’re debating about the BO levels and how that doesn’t =film is bad financially and failing early.

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+1 my Reylo titanic friend.

 

Did you read the Forbes article? The points the author makes in the article are based on pretty clear data. He even compared TLJ with the prequels in the full article to see how the performance is. It's not about TLJ being behind TFA in BO returns, that was a given before the film was released. This article is commenting on the drops in ticketsales compared to opening night and TLJ has dropped harder than any other SW movie while TFA even managed to increase ticketsales after day 6. The numbers are pretty clear here. I am certainly not hating this movie but it is by no means a success and unless the "botters" in IMDB, RT and metacritic are also blocking people from buying tickets than the mediocre fan reviews might be genuine after all.

 

I do believe i saw there the audience score has hit 53%.

 

We’ll see in a few weeks if you are right. I was taking issue at holds because in most blockbuster examples there is only a few % difference between then anyway.

Mosy modern blockbusters fall 45-55% in the first week.

Forbes have predicted 1.5 billion for TLJ, and they got TFA and R1 right.

 

Even 60% is pretty high.

For modern blockbuster 45% is seen as good, 60% up as terrible by 2nd weekend. Im putting 45-55%, a normal drop. Give or take one or two percent.

 

I agree but TLJ fell the hardest in comparison with EVERY other SW movie which coincidentally goes along with pretty bad viewer ratings. The massive drop in ticketsales is a strong indicator that word of mouth and the desire to rewatch the movie are rapidly declining after the initial moment of awe that comes along whenever a SW movie hits theaters. Personally I have settled on a 6/10 for TLJ (in context with the saga, as a standalone it is a 8/10). I think its mediocirity is starting to show in reviews and box office returns.

 

We need to wait for the hard data to come in first. The weekend still hasn’t come and gone. Most blockbusters do decline by around 50% each week. Children will be at cinemas this week and next week as most schools will be out. (TFA opened on this week-so that was another financial buoy it had in its favour.)

Don’t call the race before the horses have left the gate. I keep saying this over and over.

 

Star Trek - $292M
Star Trek 2- $239M

Iron Man - $396M
Iron Man 2 - $350M

SW ANH - $1.2B
SW ESB - $704M

Alien - $280M
Aliens - $204M

SW TPM - $757M
SW AOTC - $464M

All box office totals adjusted for inflation, from boxofficemojo.com franchise pages.

Next faulty theory please?

 

That is indeed true. Didn't think of the holidays in the US, they are different here in Europe. Still. I've got a bad feeling about this. Just looking at Rian already explaining why he did the things that he did and why he cut certain scenes when the movie hasn't even been out for 2 weeks seems like damage control.

 

That's okay. I think it's just the sheer size of the American domestic public, and how huge movies are.

Let's see. If crap like Jurassic world can have a 51% drop by second weekend and an okayish film like spider man homecoming can have a 62% drop. Anything is possible.

 

Do we really care how much money the film makes ?

 

Why did TLJ drop harder than any other SW movie so far? We know sequels sell worse than their predecessors that's nothing new. But why is TLJ falling so rapidly, both in terms of ratings and ticketsales. It's not troubling that there is a decline it's topubling that it's the most rapid decline in the history of the franchise.

 

I really don't, I'm amazed about the interest people have on this, there are like 3 different threads about box office results.