For those who have seen the movie, do you like it or hate it?

Star Wars fans are excellent at developing head cannon around power rankings for combatants but I’ve realized many are wholly inept at reading between the lines or interpreting nuance or factoring in context before complaining about things. Reminds me of how many times I (and many people) had to mention the wound Kylo Ren had from the bowcaster and that he had wanted to keep Rey alive and hoped she’d join his side. Those things put him at a disadvantage.

To your Luke point above when Rey snaps on him. Luke’s wounds at the moment are psychological and he’s ridden with guilt over Dark thoughts of intent against a pupil. Do you really think he was out to hurt Rey even while being hurt? He fights back initially more as a training session but as it gets more serious he’s wise enough to know she’s lost her cool. She literally escalates it to full on saber and at that point he’s done. He has no intention of even thinking about hurting another pupil. His whole arc is about this guilt. If people would stop thinking about these things like magic card games and consider the other factors at work it’s not hard to piece together.

 

Oh jeez straight to the feminist "it's sexist" excuse when something is a disaster, throw in some Jung psycho babble and you just repeated a clique talking point that is spewed in useless humanities lectures all across the university circuit.

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Right, read between the lines, Luke sucks Rey is awesome. That is the feeling you're suppose to get from watching that seen. Therefor Rey did "show up' Luke and I didn't walk out of the theater like I said I'd do. Now I'm filled with shame and regret just like Luke.

 

Thank you for proving my point and helping me to find yet another person who’s biggest issues with this saga have more to do with how they see the world and how they’d like action adventure filmmaking to be rather than anything I need to consider that will alter my enjoyment of this saga. Do you know how often I’ve heard the idea of a mythic showdown between yin / yang anima / Animas / Light / Dark / Male and female sexuality / opposites attract referred to as nothing more than Twilight? As though that crap saga with poor acting and weak world building and boring themes and action somehow owns these ancient, universal conflicts which are as much a part of fairy tales and space opera and myth as parent and child parables? Tired of it. If some super macho guys can only get into space opera when it starts out as a revenge story and morphs into a father and son story then so be it. I’m open to seeing new concepts explored beyond parent child and I’m glad we are getting a bit of parent child and a bit of something new.

 

Wow you just typed a paragraph that said absolutely nothing, are you a humanities professor at Evergreen State college.

 

I am always astounded by how, each time a new Star Wars movie comes out (or anything that generates a LOT of attention and spotlight), some people crawls out from under their beds or out of their basements to try to draw attention to them, whatever the mean it takes to do so.

Again...
Same thing I said when Rogue One, The Force Awakens, Revenge of the Sith, Attack of the Clones and The Phantom Menace came out on these boards...

You didn't like the movie... FINE! There are tons of movies that you will not like, and tons you will like. And no one will change your opinion on that.
SAME... if a fellow loves the movie.... ALSO FINE! Live and let live. It's not a game to convince them and the fan community that MY opinion is better than YOURS because you are DUMB and you did not understand.

These are MOVIES. Each individual on this planet have a UNIQUE experience with art (Movie, theater play, piece of music, visual art...etc.), depending on who they are, where they are, when it happens in their lives.

And, debate is great, is life. Expressing an opinion is important. The respect of your fellow Star Wars fan friend is what keeps all of this together and healthy.
If this is the reason why you are on these boards.

Peace.

 

And there it is, I was waiting for it and wondering when the "basement dweller" insult was going to come out. How did I know someone was going to drop that as soon as ender started whining about sexism? Oh that's right, clique talking point. Are you going to start quoting Jung too?

 

You do realize that Johnson read up on Jung and Bly and the concept of the shadow and guilt in writing this, right?

 

Yes I know that....you are in a thread about hating TLJ, and you're trying to defend that garbage pile but spouting drivel.

 

Just came home a couple of hours ago from seeing it here in NYC with the boys. I'm still *buzzing* so my opinion will fluctuate a bit. It's def. not perfect, rough around the edges, mainly with some pacing issues and useless characters but overwhelmingly positive. I totally embraced it and had a great time, without trying to over-analyze every detail. I came in with few expectations and an open mind to see a refreshing, unexpected story. I got what I wanted.

Haters will always hate. TFA is too similar, and TLJ is too different! LoL. Pick one you hypocrites.

 

I loved it and the only things that ruined it CAN BE FIXED WITH ANTI CHEESE!!

-The terrible Space balls humor, pointless one liners and forced unfunny jokes.

-Leia's superman flight dressed in her pyjamas in space (seriously WTF)

-Luke milking the blue milk from the 4 teats of that obviously CGi creature which moans sexually and gives Rey a look that says it's being sexually pleasured by Luke fondling its breasts and making it squirt.

And Luke drinking what the creature squirted and looking at Rey like he is in some scatological internet video, like look at what I just drank baby. Like uncle Harvey Denton drinking his own piss

(Seriously, this is like one of only 3 "training scenes" that Luke and Rey have together. I mean, seriously, why? Just why? Lol, everybody hoping for some serious Star Wars "feels" like when Yoda trained Luke. Hoping! That the new movie would show Luke training Rey, wondering what HAPPENED to the great Luke Skywalker in all those years? Whats he like now? What will he tell Rey? How would an old Luke "train" a new young Jedi? When we last remember Luke himself being a young rebel. Well FORGET ALL THAT, literally one of only 3 pretty short and meaningless Luke training Rey scenes is Luke sexually pleasuring that CGi creature's nipples and it being "contented.")
Lol, forget the Star Wars "feels" you came here looking for. That scene is what you get.

-The ending scene of Luke staring at the two suns. JUST when you think Luke's back to his old self and FINALLY is going to kick First Order a**, he dies and disappears. Literally everyone was so deflated in the cinema at that moment and left kind of silent and dumbstruck, as in why? Why do something so unnecessary?

Thank God those scenes can be cut out with ANTI CHEESE.

 

Hi to ALL my friends and luckers here in The Cantina.I believe that seeing the movie more than one time people will start to understand the movie MORE better BUT first remember my friends...ALL will see "things" in a different way.I will said that I enjoy the movie a lot.I like ALL SW movies.One more than others BUT I enjoy them.We must understand one thing.When one of more people are doing something and in this case is a movie "feelings and point of view" will be lost.That is the hard part for ALL SW fan.To accept "things"."I believe that in the same movie there a few "message" telling us this.For example the part that Yoda meet Luke.When Luke was going to burn the tree with the books of the jedi he stop and think about it.What did Yoda do?He send a lightning and burn it.Luke was surprise....."But the books" Luke said....Yoda said to Luke ....."You read them and wisdow they have BUT Rey know that already.By burning the tree is telling us that things are going to change.When Kylo tell Rey ...."Let the past go away....KILL IT if you had to and let it go.This is another message hidden.We the fans must accept the things and change that is coming.Snoke is dead.Another bad guy will come.Luke is gone.Another legend will come....we must only follow the story and enjoy it.....I still love SW and accept the changes.

 

On first viewing I was disappointed and I thought it was average. There were some great parts but just as many cringworthy also. I didn't think much of the plot with Finn and Rose either. My opinion might change once I see it again but I won't be going to the cinema again like I did with TFA, I'll just wait for the Bluray.

 

2nd viewing cured most perceived "pacing issues" for me -- I was actually impressed by how well balanced it is.

 

Seen it twice now. Even better the second time around. You get the depth of it more. So much cred to RJ for going the distance and delievering a fresh and supricing take on SW.

 

It wasn't EXACTLY as I envisioned it in my head for 2 years, but it was still eerily close and without a doubt my favorite film in the Skywalker Saga. Kylo developed exactly as I hoped. I knew when Rey came to him that they would kill Snoke. I kind of thought that they might give that kill to Rey and Luke to Kylo to balance them, but I was so hype both when Ren used the force to ignite the blade on Snoke, and then when Rey threw it to him and he stabbed the praetorian guard in the eye. Also loved Snoke & Kylo's first scene together. The line about Snoke thinking he had at least Vader's potential within him, but realized he was just a boy in a mask killed me. Don't mind Leia becoming a Force User, rather than just sensitive. Was disappointed they didn't kill her off though. They had the perfect finish to her character. Her own son snuffing him out in a TIE. Hopefully they'll break word and CGI her partially into 9, and either kill her or Luke could teach her to become a Force Ghost. Luke was amazing. Mark Hammill deserves Best Supporting Actor, and Driver could at least get nominated for Best Actor with that portrayal of Kylo Ren. Luke had become more like Yoda rather than Obi. That made me actually like Luke for the first time. Loved that Yoda was the one to burn all of the texts. Also loved that they pulled another little bit out of Legacy of The Force (I do view these films so far as a bit of a retelling of that story, wouldn't be shocked that if we see or hear of Snoke again if he wanted Ren to kill him and become essentially THE Dark Lord of the Sith, despite not being an actual Sith, per Kylo.) with Luke Force Projecting. I was also glad that he became one with the Force. Would've loved to see him on the end of Ren's saber, but it'll do. I really enjoyed the Force Bond scenes the most. It was kind of shocking how heavily they implied a romantic feeling, coming from both, but once everyone else in the throne room was dead it seemed to be coming more so from Kylo than Rey. I could see them twisting in 9, saying Ren lied about her parents and she is the daughter/granddaughter/reincarnation of someone special. Could really see it being Anakin reincarnated more than anyone due to her obvious compassion for Kylo although it waned at the end. It was great. I can't wait to watch it again. Definitely buying the Blue-Ray. 5 Vaders out of 5.

 

THAT'S NOT HOW THE FORCE WORKS!
Entertaining movie, but not Star Wars.

This was more Harry Potter than Star Wars. No Jedi could ever do any of the things seen in TLJ: Leia's resurrection, surviving in space, flying through space. Rey & Ren sit down telepathic conversations. Luke's interactive hologram. Yoda's Force ghost interfering by destroying the Jedi books/tree.

RJ violated too many rules. Star Wars used to be about the Force, not magic.

Imagine any of the OT with these new Harry Potter powers!
In ANH Obi Wan's would have used an interactive hologram to kill Vader in the lightsaber fight on the Death Star; become a Force Ghost from exhaustion & then Obi Wan's Force Ghost would have blown up the Death Star with a bolt of lightning.
In ESB Yoda would have had a telepathic sit down with Vader to provide psychiatric counseling.
In ROTJ when Vader threw Palpatine down the reactor pit, he'd have floated out and laughed AFTER the Death Star blows up.

Turn off your brains. RJ ended the Star Wars universe.

 

I wrote this somewhere else. Usually not a hater, but this movie I really, really, really didn't like.

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So, this is less a movie than it is an 80s-style Japanese OVA: From the jedi tree to Admiral Hulda (?), the narrative evolves around the resolution of storylines that happened off-screen - in the associated sectors of the franchise, from comic books to video games and novels. The viewer is given virtually no introduction to those storylines, and the scenes and character relations feel almost completely out of place if you don't know the background.

That, by itself, would perhaps be forgivable if the movie's plot had a pair of legs to stand on its own. But it hasn't, and more than that, it gets the characters wrong:

Former boyscout Luke Skywalker lives a cynical hermit at the galaxy's most unreachable place, because, in a moment of weakness, he tried to murder (!) his nephew Ben/Kylo in his sleep (!) after he had found "darkness in him". - Because it somehow made sense to the creative team at Disney's that the guy who turned himself in to the d**n Sith Emperor of the Galaxy to bring Darth Vader back to the light side would fear a pimpled teenager.

Meanwhile, Leia, we learn through a scene that has already become an internet meme, has developed Jedi powers on her own that are at least on par with those of Obi-Wan, Yoda, and the rest of the old Republic's guard. Yet, she couldn't teach Rey, nor Kylo, because, otherwise, this story would make sense.

Yoda returns as a force ghost and shows that, as a being of the astral plane, he can still easily interact with the material world. The scene looks cute, but becomes extremely cringeworthy once you realize what this might mean for SW's internal logic.

Rey and Kylo, finally, get many iconic scenes, and are apparently shipped as the new romantic couple of the sequels, creepily mirroring the Edward-Bella dynamics (yes, from "Twilight") in their interactions. At the same time, Finn is relegated to a sideshow and sidequest character while obtaining a suitably Disney-ishly non-Caucasian love interest. How convenient that now we won't have to deal with black-white Jedi love! - Of the "good" characters, only the X-Wing pilot Poe gets a half-decent storyline, but that one, too, is watered down by stuff that is so obviously simply cheap writing that it's insulting to the audience. ("The Valiant Quest for a Spaceship Gas Station! Because Battlestar Galactica came out too long ago for teenage audiences to remember!")

Rey and Kylo's main mission is not so much to explore any of the fields that TFA left unanswered, but, simply, to unceremoniously kill Snoke, the BBEG of TFA. Snoke spends some time doing Emperor-style things in an Emperor-style way, until he gets killed off in what easily qualifies as the worst scene of the entire franchise. As to his backstory, motives, powers, and affiliations, we learn - absolutely nothing. Zilch. Whatever his relation to Kylo, the Jedi, or the Sith was, is not explored even in expository dialogue. He's just there as a stand-in, until Kylo (by the end of the movie) takes over the leadership of the First Order. Because, again, this franchise apparently really banks hard on people buying its secondary products, like novels and comic books.



*Takes a deep breath.*



Overall, this movie is, simply, a mess: Not because it, whatever, showed things that I personally didn't want to see, but because it takes the epic scope out of "Star Wars" - and brings nothing in to replace it. The main focus of the story is reduced to "the good guys'" general failure to communicate with one another, from Luke and Kylo's daddy issues to the Rebellion's apparent piss-poor crisis management response. The bad guys, meanwhile, are only defined by their resemblance to the OT row of villains; beyond that, the movie literally tells us nothing about what they represent. What remains is a no-story with a lot of admittedly beautiful Kodak moments, but with no substance at all. Even the prequels don't look too shabby any more, compared to it - because they, for all their flaws, still somehow manage to present an ensemble of complex character with elaborated personal motivations. The new movies retain the look of the franchise, yes, but after the second movie, the people presented in their story either remain card-boards - or, worse, they act almost completely out of character, and mainly so for cheap dramatic effects. It's well-directed, and well-crafted, but, at least to me, it has about the same viewing appeal as an overlong toy commercial. It's written by people who shouldn't touch a pen ever again.



RAAAAAAAAAAAAH.

Not sure why this topic had me so fixated, but I needed to get this out of my system.

 

I saw it last night. Alot to take in. I walked out a little underwhelmed and a bit mixed. I'm looking forward to my 2nd viewing, as apparently this is one of those films that gets better on repeat viewings... but until then and until I have processed the movie thoroughly to form a strong opinion on it I do have 2 questions...

1. Who had a bad feeling about this?
2. Where were the transition wipes?

Oh, I do have my final opinion on one part of the film. All I'll say is "super Leia? - really?".

 

Definitely do it if it feels warranted but I've given this film two solid tries with my eyes firmly fixed on the screen and it does not get better.