How Palpatine survived and his motives to stay hidden

Consult “Dark Empire” and “The Manipulation of Life” (Book of Sith) and you sill see the mind of Palpatine was always to return:

 

Maybe this is the biggest concern from the Saga. We have to reinterpret too many situations and dialogs that we've already seen or interpret.
But on the other hand, I trust in JJ to make things properly and with common sense.
Let's flow.

 

I must be the only one here who can't take Palpatine seriously as a threat to Luke. His reasoning for encouraging Luke to get angry is actually an extension of the idea that was used in TESB (it was said in the Making of the Return of the Jedi), with Vader encouraging Luke to destroy him with hatred. So, it's one character idea put onto another character. Vader is so much better as a villain in ESB; Luke's actually alert/scared for most of the fight with him, as opposed to ROTJ, where he's alert/scared during the -"I will not fight you father". Meanwhile, I'm supposed to be more intimidated by an old, lazy butt who sits on his throne, spewing out something, something dark side, something, something complete dialogue.

I think that Palpatine's role in the prequels, however, was rather good, showing off his seductive side in TPM, AOTC, and ROTS. Aside from when Ian, hams it up in ROTS, I actually think that his portrayal is pretty mature and sneaky. But his seduction almost completely sucks in ROTJ, there's little reason to join the guy other than having "power" or the power of hatred, which Vader was showing Luke in ESB before, so it's kind of repetitive.

I secretly wish that Vader could have been the big bad in the OT, or at least been given more time for his character to shine, which is why I've been so satisfied (oh, yes!) with Kylo as the supreme leader.

Also, you know, if Palpatine had been thrown into a lava pit, as it was intended at some point, instead of a long reactor shaft, we would have a better idea of what happened to him.

 

When Palyps was tossed into reactor, that blue rings was his Force Projection dissolving:

 

Definitely a cool idea, but do you think Palpatine could project himself there and shoot force lightning through the projection? Luke couldn't even make his lightsaber solid. Palpatine made lightning and his body solid for Vader to pick up and throw? Then again, the dark side is a path to many abilities some consider to be.... unnatural.

 

Yoda projected force lightening to burn down the tree in TLJ from the force ghost realm.

 

Palpatine survived simply because Disney didn't think the sequel trilogy through and didn't have a villain for the final film. I wouldn't dig into it too deep.

 

What have you heard that makes you “think” that? I haven’t seen much hard evidence to say how he returned.

I understand if you said “I’m worried” he survived.

This next part isn’t directed at you but a general observation of a lot of posts...

It seems like a lot of people are worried that this will be a poorly executed movie and are mistaking that fear (based on my opinion of TLJ, not at all an unfounded one) for having a reason to believe those fears.

Also even if something like Palpatine returning in the flesh/survived sounds bad, I’m withholding judgement until I see how it’s executed.

It seems like some portion of the fan base is looking for reasons to be pessimistic or criticize the film.

The film may be a complete mess and I may be here trashing it after I see it. But I’m waiting until after I see it. Even if it sucks, I’d rather save myself 2 months of hating it.

Unless I’m missing something concrete that points to how Palpatine will be handled, I’m approaching this a little more open minded.

And no, I don’t count the various online rumor mills as concrete. They are certainly fun for speculation but not going to help form my opinion of the movie prior to 12/19.

 

There are Sith Spirits that can become more tangible and physical:

“There is a long history of Sith Lords and dark siders who abandoned their physical forms upon death to become one with the Force, and return to the material realm as ghostly incarnations. Some of these spirits were lost forever, but others found ways to attach their essence to objects and locations strong in dark power. The Necropolis on Korriban is especially strong with the dark side, and numerous dark siders have sought out spirits there, often with disastrous results. Bear in mind, my curious friend, that few spirits are content to remain as such, and most aspire to live again in some corporeal form. My study of Sith history has revealed several instances in which Sith spirits dramatically shaped events and influenced aspiring Sith Lords. The first such case occurred more than five thousand years ago on the planet Korriban, during the funeral for the reigning Dark Lord of the Sith, Marka Ragnos.
Having survived the destruction of the second Death Star as a ghostly manifestation, I can assure you that it is a most wearisome state to be in. It is not enough to retain one’s powers beyond death, for a noncorporeal avatar can only do so much. The primary advantage of becoming a Sith spirit is that it allows one the opportunity to return in a new body, so that one might again enjoy the pleasures of the flesh. Because the flesh is weak, and can be severely ravaged by the dark side, one must take care when choosing a body. Yes, this is the essential paradox of the dark side: the more successful the dark sider, the more quickly that dark sider’s body decays. How do I retain my youthful countenance? You flatter me. Read on, my friend. Read on.“ (Jedi vs Sith, Sith Spirits, Windham).

My theory is Sidious coukd use lightning as a Force Projection or Spirit because the Dark Side like the Light Sise is everywhere and lightning is but the Dark Side expressed in power from finger tips. A similiar thing was possible for Patrick Swayze in the movie “Ghost” when he was able to move things and even push people despite not being in a body.

 

I kind of disagree. Yet I am really curious what direction Colin Trevorrow wanted to go in. I think that movie would have been significantly different.

 

I think Palpatine wanted to posses a more powerful body like Anakin but when Anakin burnt up he was no longer useful to Palpatine so Palpatine decided to wait on future Anakin to be born. Rey and Kylo his parents.

 

I forget exactly which podcast I heard it on (MSW I think) said that Trevorrow had Palpatine coming back as well.

 

Is that from some book or something or is that your original work? Interesting either way!

--- Double Post Merged, Oct 28, 2019, Original Post Date: Oct 28, 2019 ---

Zing! I didn't think of that! Not exactly the same but a very good point!

 

It’s from a book, “Jedi vs Sith,” by Ryder Windham.

It is full of fascinating Force history and the users who wielded it.

 

I mean no disrespect and am not trying to pick a fight, but why do you trust JJ like this?

Here's why I don't trust him: Star Trek and TFA. Star Trek was just a ridiculous mess. I'm not talking (only) about lens flares. What he did to the characters and technology was really disappointing. Which brings me to TFA. I liked it but agree with the criticism that it was A New Hope with a different coat of paint. And with TFA, the mystery boxes that I believe had no planned follow up and were simply mysterious for the sake of being mysterious.

 

No problem

Because with Star Trek and TFA he gave me what I wanted and expected for a long time in a scifi movie tale. Good story, well directed old school style, with no abuse of cgi, charismatic actors and characters, cool ships and locations... Since Return of the Jedi I was looking for an entertaining movie like this. Only Firefly and Serenity gave me that.
I was never a Trek boy so I hadn't problems with what he did to the characters. In fact, I entered to ST world because of him. And I really enjoyed every ST movie since then.
For my part, I don't care if TFA is like ANH (although I never have seen like that). During years, I have seen the same movie over and over again, some are bad, some are good, and some are amazing. The question is some of them have its own style and personality. And that's why we like watching the same film but told in different ways. I love TFA (I have to recognize Kasdan helped with this). Actors are incredible and directing part, if you look closely, is beyond competent and great (in my opinion the camera work is excellent). For me, it was an excellent tribute/homage to 80 movies that I loved.

My concern is they didn't gave Episode VIII to him to follow his personal plan.
From my perspective, I think JJ knows what he is doing and (from a certain point of view) what people wanted (936 milion only in US is not something you can deny).

 

It's just a feeling. This ST is already poorly executed ...

EP VIII's theme was kill the past ... and then bring back Lando and Palps for ep IX ...

I'm not searching for logic anymore.

 

Episode VII's theme is to learn from failure, not to kill the past. That's just something Kylo was talking about and he was wrong. Luke spoke about similar things, but changed his mind after talking to Yoda.

 

The wisest teacher is the one who has the most failures and has learned from them.

 

Excellent observation, Travcon.

And now I wonder, why was Ghost-Yoda allowed to interfere with Luke in the physical realm, while Ghost-Ben was not?

"I cannot interfere." -- says, who? And, why not?

With the advent of Force-Flashing/ Flow-Walking or whatever the name is.... the only idea that makes sense to me is: Rey/Bastilla/Shmi and Kylo/Revan/UnknownHermit are time traveling force avatars who produce a son that re-balances the force every thousand years or so. Everything else makes my head explode like Palpatine at the bottom of a reactor shaft.

Confirmed Episode 8: "Let the past die. Kill it if you have to."

Rumored Episode - 9: "And now, finally.... my red Sith Troopers have returned!"


All I can do is go see how how the SAGA plays out.