RUMOR I broke the recent news on MvS's character. Let's discuss.

Well, that's just rude...

 

the presence of ground troops in what is reportedly a space battle can be explained in any number of ways. remember that big ass ion cannon on Hoth? i'm sure one of those could bring down a star destroyer. now if only we could plant one on the surface... but no, this is a space only battle lol

 

I didn't say it was floating in space, I agree, most likely IF it was found with the saber then why would they keep it attached to it? We don't really know what happened to Cloud City after the duel but we could assume the Empire captured the city and somehow found the hand/blade together and the Empire saved the hand for the DNA sequence. Let me be clear in this point, I DON'T like the idea of this storyline and I DON'T think it will happened, that's why I mention it as a FanFic idea. The possibility of it hit me while reading other posts in this thread. That's all.

Yes, I agree, Gleeson/Hamill resemblances is striking. My personal belief is that Gleeson plays Luke in a flashback scene or two. My whole post was just a fanfic thought that I had, not my true beliefs of the movie.

So yes, FanFic based on FanFic only if the Reddit post is indeed FanFic.

 

But you (and others) are overlooking a key point: Hoth was Iinhabited by the Rebels for approximately two years before the Empire launched a ground assault with AT-AT walkers. Your ion cannon is evidence of that habitation on the planet. The rumor suggested no habitation prior to the space battle at Jakku. AT-AT walkers suggest otherwise.

As I mentioned before, I appreciate the creativity that you put into your post. And would always encourage this kind of dialogue. I only wanted to express that the basis for your first scenario is a rumor that I happen to believe doesn't hold up under scrutiny, that's all.

 

So Hoth was inhabbited BESIDES ECHO BASE durring the Battle of Hoth?

 

No, but that is completely irrelevant and beside the point.

 

i don't think AT-ATs are always a sign of civilization; if an epic space battle was taking place above the surface of a planet i imagine that surface to space weaponry could be instrumental in bringing the enemy down. in order to set up such weaponry on an uninhabited planet you'd need to get some boots on the ground.

 

I don't disagree that such surface to space weaponry could be instrumental and require boots on the ground... but again, it is evidence of the planet being inhabited. Even if only for military purposes. That is not what the original rumor stated however.

 

i think they stated it was inhabited after the battle by people that were stranded. before the battle took place, no one was there. i don't see the incongruity here...

 

The incongruity is simple. There is no need for AT-AT walkers if there is no one having settled on the planet. On Jakku, there are AT-AT walkers, so the planet was more likely inhabited. But that is not what the rumor said.

 

No that is the point. You're saying that Hoth/Jakku is an inhabited world because of a military base. A base does not count as a civilization. A desert island that only has an army base on it but doesn't have any other inhabitants is still a desert island.

 

are you purposefully being obtuse? the AT-ATs are there because a battle is being fought and they are trying to stake a site on the planet to fight from. deploying ground troops from a Star Destroyer during a space battle isn't an incredible leap to make. there may be no base prior to the battle: those "survivors" could have been placed there for the fight and then stranded.

 

I am neither trying to be obtuse or difficult, by any means... I rather enjoy the discussion.

However, in my mind a military base is a part of civilization and no less inhabiting the planet. That said, I am willing to acknowledge that I may be a bit more literal in my interpretation of the original rumor and Jakku may well be an equivalent of Hoth, perhaps with the roles of the two sides reversed. I just think that Jakku is a much more integral place than one that had no signs of civilization and only hosted a space battle as the rumor suggested. The presence of AT-ATs supports that.

At the end of the day, I think we shall all see, from whatever medium, that Jakku was not simply an uninhabited planet before the battle. In the Star Wars universe, habitable planets typically have habitation, as primitive as it may be.

 

It certainly wasn't meant to be rude, and I apologize if you took it that way... and there are those who have Plagueis theories that are more creative than others. But those who say, "It has to be Plagueis because who else could..." miss the wide range of potential. In the beginning, there was no Darth Vader until he appeared on screen, and at that point nobody conceived of someone worse than him. Then in ESB, you have a quick hologram, and with the simple utterance of, "what is thy bidding, my master" it was established there was someone behind him, and that someone made him kneel... just that fast they established a new, more powerful threat. This is what I was referring to..

 

@TIDMADT; I get where you're coming from, but allow me to pose a theory:

While it is true that Palptaine is not shown until that scene in ESB, he was mentioned in ANH, specifically by Tarkin during the Death Star Moff meeting. We barely see him in ESB but it is revealed that he is the "bigger threat." By the time we get to ROTJ, he has replaced Vader as the most evil character in the film.

We know the Star Wars movies echo each other. Whether it's a recurring theme of losing a limb or the similar broad strokes of each trilogy, there are similarities in hold the stories unfold. We already have a sense that TFA will probably mirror TFA, but let's look at another echo:

Darth Plagueis is a character that is mention in one scene of a movie,specifically ROTS. If the theory is right and he is the villain of the ST, let's say he appears briefly during TFA, establishing that our new baddie, Kylo, is secondary to the Sith Lord. His appearance in VIII or XI then solidifies him as the greater threat.

It demands a little wiggle-room to work, but in doing so it also solidifies ties throughout all three trilogies. I believe the Darth Plagueis idea is largely driven by the characterization of Uber as more powerful than Palpatine; the obvious, a quite possibly correct, candidate would be the person who trained him, and if said person was able to defy death, that certainly makes him more powerful than his very-dead student.

 

Ive said many times... Plagueis is dead... what isn't often quoted is the rest of what I said, which is that if they plan to bring him back, they need to explain why he is not dead, and where he has been... not for 30 years, but closer to 60 years. I admit some races are long lived, but assuming he was 40 at the time of his "death" he would be well over 100 now... and where has be been, and what has he been doing?

 

Knitting those cool black robes for Kylo that rolled ribbed look is very time consuming.

 

THIS... is the first theory that makes sense..

 

As much fun as my knitting theory is . . . .

Not that I am PRO DP returning. Going by things like the EU and other sorts of reworked fantasy tropes that have been reworked in SW.
1- DP is dead and is some sort of non-force ghost undead like a zombie or other physically bound undead like a Sith mummy. For the purposes of the film we see his awakening thus he has done nothing because he was trapped or whatever for 60 years.
2- DP is dead but has hours of holo recordings meant for posterity or whatever.
3- DP had a contingency to transfer his essence or whatev to another place. He acted quickly after ROTJ first within the Empire to weaken the likely successors to Sheeve and then to stage the rise of the 1st Order.
4- DP escaped after faking his death or tricking Palps in some way. He foresaw Luke's actions and waited out Palpatine's rise and fall. After ROTJ he started his machinations to bring about the rise of the 1st Order.

 

Maybe someone should lock all the other threads? WE can just respond to THIS.
Agreed. Lots of slave labor involved with Sith robes.