SPECULATION Is Luke Rey's Father? - The Evidence For and Against

yeah, i guess it could play out a lot of different ways. goes back to what will Snoke do if he thinks he has a chance to groom Rey. and the logical answer is that he'd probably kill Ren as a liability. but yeah, seems like Rey would really have to turn and i'm having a hard time seeing how that could happen just yet.

definitely think the saber plays a part in that scene somehow as well (as the bridge between Bespin and Rey's abandonment). i wish we had just a few more crumbs to work with regarding the KOR (not knowing who they are and what they're doing is making me crazy ~ hahaha).

 

let me see if i can help with what we know about the timeline (and yes, this confuses me too):

• Rey abandoned about 14 years ago (yes)
• Luke's new Jedi efforts "destroyed" (and i'm being specific about the language because this is what we actually know. we don't know there was ever actually a "school", which might be why hidalgo says to stop calling it an academy ~ i believe that tweet is a specific reference to the betrayal, not the clan massacre. we also don't know anybody was actually killed in this "destruction".
  
  • the timing for this has been established as happening within the last 6-7 years (i believe Bloodline will confirm this, as Gray has said that it hasn't happened yet and that's the timing of the book). maybe? hahaha
    
  • Yes, Ben isn't a boy anymore, but consider the source. i think Han would call him boy no matter how old he was. he is, after all, his boy.
• Clan massacre
  • this one seems to float. it obviously(?) has to have happened after Ben turned Kylo Ren unless whoever is in that costume and mask is not Ben but whoever Ben killed to assume the leadership position (totally making this up, but that's the only way it wouldn't be Ben ~ needlessly convoluted to my thinking, but whatever).
  • problematically, Rey's already been on Jakku for ten years. so we go back to why was she abandoned? though, again, her parents could have been on the run and intended to fetch her, but couldn't because Ren made hash of them. that doesn't look like what's happening in the scene to me, though.

not sure where that leaves us.

 

She is in awe and Luke pitties her

 

i think he would have had not have not known he had a daughter (which some have suggested)?

though, just to advocate for the devil, if he was in a crap mindset because he'd "lost" a wife and daughter, that would certainly help explain his spectacular eff-up regarding Ben.

but i have a hard time reconciling that to the Luke i know.

 

A few things

1. Let's drop the snarkiness and putting down other's views and opinions. The beauty and likely intent of this movie is for people to interpret it in different ways and leaving things for mystery. JJ in statements before the movie even eluded to this as a reason not to spell things out and why the OT was so good. I will watch the movie and interpret it one way. The person next to me will interpret it another way. Until we know for sure neither one of us can say we are right and the hernia wrong. As an example a I place a glass filled halfway with water in room. 2 people walk in and see the glass. One sees it as half full. The other sees it as half empty. However, neither knows if I only filled it up halfway or if I filled it up completely and drank half of it, and can't say with certainty that they are right and the other is wrong until I reveal it. So unless someone gets/has inside info of what JJ,Kasden and Lucasfilm intended with the film then it is disingenuous to claim a differing point of view is invalid
2. As far as the saga films being about the Skywalkers, that is true. And with Luke and Ben we have that regardless of Rey's parentage. However, I'm sure Disney is planning on creating SW saga films for a long time and at some point the Skywalker lineage will come to an end. It would seem to me that this trilogy could be it. This is a whole new generation of Star Wars movies and there will be a whole new generation of SW fans and Rey may end up being to the new generations of fans what Luke was to us and a new lineage may take over the SW saga films.

I will be back on later to post some interesting things (in my opinion anyway) I read in Rey's Story.

 

we also don't actually know when Leia sent Ben to Luke. it could have been years before his betrayal.

if Luke lost a known daughter (and possibly a wife) it obviously didn't "break" him if he was then trying to train up Jedi.
it appears his retreat from the world was because of what happened with Ben (whatever that was).

just throwing that out there like a stick on the pyre. i guess to say that if Luke had some other tragedy, it feels kind of disconnected.

 

My thoughts?

I mean no offense here, but I think that you lack understanding of what a narrative story is and what it's basic features are. You're honestly overthinking everything and missing some of the basics, you seem to misunderstand how a story creates conflict for it's characters or what "conflict" is. It's not some abstract concept that's handed down to them from a family member, it's the simple gap between what a character's goal is and what they have to go through to achieve it. And really that's a fundamental feature of what makes a traditional narrative story, if you don't understand the basics of who your protagonist is and what their main goal is you don't understand the story at all.

You also have to understand that a narrative story on film is told very different from a book. It's not that characters do not have internal conflicts but that their internal conflicts are illustrated by their outward desires.

In Luke's case, we're introduced to him as a simple farm boy and his goal is to get off Tatooine and have a more meaningful and adventurous life someplace else. That's his basic story and all of the conflict for him leads from that point on. At first the conflict is his uncle making him stay on the farm, once that is out of the way he makes the decision to train with Obi-Wan to become a Jedi and the rest you already know the point is all of the conflict he faces rises from his decision to leave Tatooine and become a Jedi. That never changed when they decided to make Anakin and Vader the same person.

In Rey's case it's a little different because she's not looking for adventure it ends up finding her and she can't escape it, but otherwise we're introduced to her as a girl who lives a simple life as a scavenger and she has no ambition but to wait for her family, that's what motivates her and keeps her going, and subsequently that is how the film introduces her to the conflict she faces. By the end of the film she's clearly ready to take a more active role in deciding her fate and meeting her personal goals which means finding Luke Skywalker and becoming a Jedi.

No let's get back to Luke, why would they set things up this way as opposed to him simply being a mythical character for our new heroes to link up with? Because there's no story there. On a deeper level you have to realize that this is the story of the Skywalker family, their rise to fame and heroism, their fall to darkness and their ultimate redemption. It would have been one thing if the story ended at Return of the Jedi, but clearly it did not, clearly we're revisting those things and finding out that Luke and Leia and their children are still struggling with that legacy. If Rey is not a Skywalker the story becomes something else entirely and frankly TFA fails on a very basic narrative storytelling level, Rey has no personal stake in being involved and instead she's just another powerful force user fated to the whims of the all power screenwriter because the movie must have one of those.

 

My thoughts?

Make your points without belittling other posters. It is completely unnecessary and unwelcome here.

Thanks.

 

Look man I think understand the source of our disagreement very well and I've been trying to tell you for a while now, it's because you keep making blast up. Done here.

Done here.

Frankly this discussing is not interesting, and you're incredibly arrogant despite the fact your posts honestly make no sense and your theories rely entirely on baseless conjecture there isn't a single shred of evidence supporting anything you've said here and you've repeatedly quoted things as facts that are not facts at all. Can't even have a regular conversation here because you don't even challenge the points other people make here. Every time someone posts something that doesn't respond to you in the way you like it or contradicts what you think you just dismiss it.

Good luck with that.

 

yeah, i guess that's my question too. i mean, there are ways of explaining that: Luke said he was fine, they were all like family, maybe Ben even had a good relationship with Luke at the time. we just don't have enough info.

but i do agree that's kind of a big deal for no one to mention anything. or, again, to Rey, if they suspect. especially for this family. i mean, Luke and Leia were kept in the dark because Vader was their father. the rationale that they are hiding this from Rey to protect her kind of insults the strength of the character they've built for her, first of all, and secondly, by not telling her, she's wound up right under Snoke's radar. good job, Skywalkers ~ hahaha

 

Oh please if this is what you consider belittling others, explaining (very gently at that) that he doesn't seem understand how a narrative story works and then breaking it down for him so he can try to understand where I'm coming from, by all means enjoy your fan fiction sesstions without anyone interrupting.

What you're really doing is holding back discussion here. I'm sorry if your skin is so thin you can't handle someone telling you that some people's posts here actually make no sense, but don't even try and tell me I'm just trashing on this guy. Pff.

Frankly I'm insulted, I come in here and lay out some pretty well thought out posts and more than a few of these people just dismiss every point out of hand and keep repeating the same thing. If that's your idea of discussion count me out.

 

Pity can be part of being conflicted. And if he looks conflicted: well I would be if my daughter presumed lost would show up at my doorstep with a weapon I lost more than 35 years ago and which reminds me of my previous emotional conflicts and instability.

Why would she be in shock? She is in awe. She knows what to expect when she visits Luke if she knows who he is . She is also awed by the fact that the island and ocean of her dreams are true.

Look we're all filling in emotional blanks here. Like "this how a person should behave, or that is how a person should behave". Does she look suprised enough, why does she hug Leia in such a way etc.etc. etc. In the end speculative and a pointless discussion in which I stupidly participated

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People change. We are not static emotional agents. No human is. The fact that Luke is hiding on an island and "walked away from all of it" sure is prove that he is not the same Luke as the one presented in the originals.