SPECULATION Is Luke Rey's Father? - The Evidence For and Against

Whoever hit this with "old news" is just being ignorant.

You may cry and stamp your feet for Rey Random all you want, but you can't ignore 6 different quotes from 6 different interviews.

Stop being childish, that's a great post and a good reminder - 7-9 are about the Skywalker family saga. Period and dot.

 

Seems obvious to me. And if her family isn't going back she wouldn't have met Leia one hour later.

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Lol I didn't but you don't mind yourself putting cynical rep to other people. Why complain ?

 

Because if Rey is a Solo/Skywalker, then she also is the descendant of Darth Vader, and possibly Luke as well, meaning she would have inherent strength in the Force. It makes more sense for her to beat an injured Kylo and somehow suddenly discover mind-tricks and Force pulls if she is one of them.

Did you forget the voice-over in the 2nd teaser - intentionally re-recorded, I might add - "The Force is strong in my family. My father has it. My sister has it. You have that power too."

And, I might also add -

People can hit me with the "Old News" too, but TFA has been out less than a year...it's not old news to say that if she is a super-powered Jedi, ace pilot, mechanical wiz, who gets to literally take Han's ship and Luke's saber, and is just a random person, then she's a Mary Sue. I didn't like those arguments at first, but if she's just random...then yeah, they kinda make sense.

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I was referring to Magnar's post there.

It's very ignorant of people to hit him with "Old news" when he's bringing up quote after quote about his point.

They have no counter-argument...so they give him that response. Lame.

 

1) The key part of his quote where he was actually saying something is that "But I will say, that it is… this is all I’ll say: it is something that Rey thinks about, too." (April 15, 2016)
2) He says, "So I can’t possibly – in this moment – tell you who they are." which is not meant literally: he could say but doesn't. Why? “I know quite a bit [about Rey’s lineage].” “Obviously it’s not for me to talk about in this moment because this is Rian’s story to continue now. The last thing I’m going to do is reveal something that he would be upset about. I want to make sure that Rian gets the courtesy that he showed me.” (January 12, 2016) "[It’s] not [hard] for me [to keep Rey’s identity a secret]!" (January 12, 2016)
3) He then further clarified the less important part of his quote: "What I meant was that she doesn’t discover them in Episode VII. Not that they may not already be in her world.” (April 15, 2016)
4) This is the same guy that says Luke's father and sister are not said to be in Episode IV. "Star Wars didn’t say that Luke was the son of Vader. Star Wars didn’t say that Leia was the sister of Luke." (December 22, 2015)

 

Why would Luke tell this to Rey, they have never met ?

You assume it's her but why not Kylo Ren ? Why not to the audience ?

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Come on ...

He screwed this up. And that's it. Even a 4 year child could make this sentence.

So explain to us weak minded people why Han doesn't give a **** about her during the whole movie and care more about his ship than about his girl. Why he wants to kick her from the Falcon. Why he wouldn't have moved a finger to go search for her on the Starkiller base ?

I'm all listening.

 

It was the audience.

He's reminding the Force is strong...in his family.

They re-recorded that for a reason my friend...think about it...

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She says "Whomever you're waiting for..."

The word family is never used by Maz.

Rey only thinks she was left by her family there...

 

Yes. He was talking to Kylo Ren because Kylo Ren is force sensitive and is family. Would you deny that ?

What about the 'I'm noone quote' ?

Why did they put this ?

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And who was Rey waiting for ?

For my family, they'll be back ... One day.

 

I mean this with all sincerity and friendliness, I think your language barrier hurts these discussions sometimes Bandini.

This has all been covered...The "I'm no one" line is actually a perfect setup, when Maz would've asked her who she was...because she believes she's no one. But it's shown later that she is indeed, Force sensitive and going to be a Jedi. (this works whether she is random or Skywalker. It's just a narrative device)

With the trailer lines, it would only make sense that he's talking to Kylo if the trilogy is about him. He's in it, and very important, but it's about Rey. (this works whether she is random or Skywalker. Again, it's a narrative device)

It's called foreshadowing.

What that means is they drop hints towards themes or tones in the trailers and then you see more in the film...

 

Don't fool yourself, I understand you very well. You have two feet stuck in the Skywalker sand. You can't think another way.

You just can't.

I may have a language barrier but at least I took an eye on the timeline ...

 

I think it is worth pointing out that when it comes to the Rey debate the most passionate people are the Rey Solo/Skywalker people. They seem to to be the most emotionally attached to the idea. So much so that if it doesn't happen they're going to be massively disappointed.

Now I'm the exception to that rule since I started in the Skywalker camp, but the evidence has pushed me to Rey Random. It's very difficult to debate people who have an emotional attachment to a desired outcome.

 

Sure I can. I've given plenty of space to the idea that she could be a Solo or even Kenobi, or reincarnated Anakin, or Palps clone, or whatever...

I don't agree with those points, but I've posted about them, and listened to others.

ReySky deniers or Rey Randomers, if you like, are the ones who can't think any other way. That's fine for you...

But you are asking people to ignore evidence, quotes, social media posts, costume designs, filmmaker decisions, etc...

You can be hit with 5 different JJ quotes about how Rey's family is a big deal, and that they are already in her world, and will be revealed, and say they don't matter.

You can be shown 6 different Kennedy quotes about how this trilogy is for the Skywalker family saga and you say that's just for Kylo. (you have very little proof of that, and the idea of such a dark hero is absurd.)

You think we are getting the new Rey Random trilogy (TRILOGIES) where she will launch another 3-6 movies after these ones and go on as the new Random Rey Jedi forever....

When all the available evidence points to something else.

I'm done in this thread for awhile...there are pages, upon pages, of evidence and backup that support ReySky or even Rey Solo but you and DailyPlunge (and to a lesser degree, FN-2------ forgot his whole name) jump all over every comment and fight with people with an argument that amounts to -

"She just can't be a Skywalker...she just can't! That would be boring!" and nothing else.

In the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Others want to talk, I'm open.

But you 3 have made this thread a big waste of time.

See you next Dec.

 

The problem is that people doesn't want Rey to overshadow Luke and Anakin. It's a knife in their childhood.

They don't want this girl to be the star of her own. So they need to tie her to the old OT to make sure that the OT will always be there.

They fear a jump in the unknown. They want feel safe to quietly make their connexions to the past. They don't want this story to go forward.

That's my guess.

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Don't waste your time. Open a baby girl thread and I swear I won't go there.

I respect you more than you respect me. My points are in the movie nowhere else.

I hope you will understand my bad english

 

did Kathleen Kennedy hand-pick Daisy Ridley to play Rey without even auditioning her?
because she did hand-pick Adam Driver to play Kylo Ren.

that's not proof of anything, but i suggest there is more than one way to look at the "evidence".

i have been polite and respectful in this thread and not called other people's ideas bantha poodoo or made them out to be children throwing tantrums about their pet theories or lumped people together as if they have a hive mind (because we don't).
and i have discussed narrative issues and "facts" and all the other stuff you accuse us of ignoring.

i have no problem saying i could be wrong about everything i write.

are you willing to admit as much?

 

Found this on page 7...

6 months ago and the same things were going on...assumptions, distortions, outright ignoring movie scenes and sources quoted, and snarking on the people trying to make sense of it...and he nailed it - 3 posters patting each other on the back and ganging up on the others.

Maybe the mods should look into this...seems like a pattern.

 

I didn't know about Driver being chose by KK.

 

One last thing about the KK's quote.

Luke, Leia and Kylo will be in this trilogy at least for ep IX too.

Are they Skywalker enough to tie with the KK's quote ?

Take your guess.

 

I think many people are overthinking Maz's statement to Rey after her vision. Rey says she needs to get back to Jakku and Maz tells her whoever she is waiting for isn't coming back. All Maz is telling her is not to sit around on Jakku waiting for what she is looking for to come to her, but instead go out into galaxy and seek it herself. I don't think Maz is telling her anything about who is or isn't her family. I doubt Maz has any idea about Rey's family. She didn't know who Rey was until moments before, why would she know her parents?

She does however mention the saber belonged to Luke and his father and now it calls to her, so maybe she (like her boyfriend Chewbacca) suspects Rey's identity but we have no way to know if she thinks a family connection is needed for that.

 

For once, it's a good point.

 

In regards to the Skywalker saga, I count 3 in TFA: Luke, Ben and Leia, who is bound to blow up big in 3rd part (esp. if they do put her into that hackneyed-plot-device coma). closed quotation mark and period.

Lemme see, "Star Wars" had only 1 Skywalker - Luke (as the audience knew). closed quotation mark and period. One more was added into each of the next 2 sequels. period.